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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
Here's the teaser from the Globe's website:
Caylee's Tragic Daddy
A HANDSOME Florida surfer is the father of murdered Orlando, Fla., tot Caylee Anthony, sources tell GLOBE in a gripping exclusive that bares all the tragic details of his suicide before the baby's first birthday and a remarkable paternity analysis. At last, GLOBE unravels the most haunting mystery in the crime that broke America's heart. It's the story you can't afford to miss!
http://www.globemagazine.com/story/326
Caylee's Tragic Daddy
A HANDSOME Florida surfer is the father of murdered Orlando, Fla., tot Caylee Anthony, sources tell GLOBE in a gripping exclusive that bares all the tragic details of his suicide before the baby's first birthday and a remarkable paternity analysis. At last, GLOBE unravels the most haunting mystery in the crime that broke America's heart. It's the story you can't afford to miss!
http://www.globemagazine.com/story/326
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
hawaiicalls wrote:lovemysam wrote:Looks like the latest Globe tabloid is reporting Joshua O'Barr is the father and says something about a paternity analysis . . . . on the cover anyway.
Wow! Thank you for this info...I remember LE stated they knew who the father was, but it was not disclosed...Very interesting..Please join us on the main blog...
In loving memory of my oldest son Joshua.11-29-82 / 7-10-06. Cant wait to see you in Heaven. All my love-Dad
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Josh Barr - Caylee's bio dad?
GLOBE - April 20, 2009 - "REVEALED! CAYLEE'S TRAGIC DAD - Why he KILLED himself"
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
One of the bloggers on WS dug up this info .... I think this man reeeeeeeealllly looks like Caylee!
He is a mutual friend of Casey and Lee (Lee said the bio Dad was a mutual
friend who passed away). This man's MySpace page has Mallory (Lee's girlfriend)
as a Friend
Casey said bio Dad died a few weeks before Caylee's birthday - August 9th -
this man died July 10th.
He has an Irish last name - possibly where Casey got her obsession with
shamrocks?
He was born Nov. 29, 1982.
He was a surfer, and had a hit and run car accident on March 29, 2004 when he
was living in Cocoa Beach - but he lives in Orlando. He had back surgery Jan.
11, 2006 but was in constant pain, and when he could not surf any more, he
killed himself on a surfboard on July 10, 2006.
www.myspace.com/must65tang
Social Security Death Index about Joshua M. Obarr
He is a mutual friend of Casey and Lee (Lee said the bio Dad was a mutual
friend who passed away). This man's MySpace page has Mallory (Lee's girlfriend)
as a Friend
Casey said bio Dad died a few weeks before Caylee's birthday - August 9th -
this man died July 10th.
He has an Irish last name - possibly where Casey got her obsession with
shamrocks?
He was born Nov. 29, 1982.
He was a surfer, and had a hit and run car accident on March 29, 2004 when he
was living in Cocoa Beach - but he lives in Orlando. He had back surgery Jan.
11, 2006 but was in constant pain, and when he could not surf any more, he
killed himself on a surfboard on July 10, 2006.
www.myspace.com/must65tang
Social Security Death Index about Joshua M. Obarr
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72017&page=18
Precious little information is available regarding Caylee's father. KC seemed to have deliberately hidden the identity of the father from everyone - possibly even the father himself. The information we have is as follows: From Jesse G. (p. 1505, 1541, 2386): Met KC in Jan 2005 while working at Universal Studios. Had a paternityFrom Kiomarie C. (p. 212): Kio says she knows she met Caylee's father at one point but did not know his name. It is possible she had met Jesse and was not aware he was eventually eliminated as the father.From Anthony R. (p. 637): ThoughtFrom Amy H. (p. 259) Will told her that Caylee's dad died in a car wreck just before Caylee's first birthday.From Lauren G. (p. 1372): At first thought the father was Jesse G., then later was told by KC "it was somebody who was in the Army or something like that."From Melina C. (starting p. 5101): AtFrom Cindy (p. 2092, 2460): HerFrom Annie D. (audio part 2, starting 20:30): FatherFrom KC to Yuri (p. 2282): KCAnd finally, the "obituary" itself, pulled from the home computer during the forensic examination: Name: ~DF13DE.tmpI think we can safely surmise that the father-story KC constructed was roughly:
with individuals who have heard the story, she can't always keep her "facts" straight and sometimes slips up. Of course, her friends don't always remember as well. |
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72017&page=18
Let's deconstruct KC's story, beginning with the "obituary", shall we?
First, as with the nanny, no one has been able to find Eric James Baker.
No Eric Baker or Erik Baker (with or without the "J" middle initial)
has ever been found to have attended Colonial High School while KC was
there, so we can scratch the idea they went to high school together.
Four Eric Bakers died in 2007, the closest one matching KC's description being in North Carolina on Aug 30, born May 13, 1983. None have the middle initial "J" (see here).
KC's Eric James Baker simply never existed.
If the father's name, birth date, and date of death were fictional, what about the quote shown in the obituary from Jesus Ortiz?
It turns out, Jesus Ortiz really did exist. He was a classmate and
friend of KC's at Colonial High, and he died in a car accident on May
8, 2007. The article describing the accident can be found here.
Excerpt:
The quote attributed to Jesus Ortiz in the Eric James Baker obit is
lifted directly from the "Who I'd Like To Meet" section of his myspace.
A screenshot of his myspace is here:
JesusOrtizMyspace.PNG
Once again KC weaves truth in with fiction in building a believable lie.
So why did she create this fictional father? I think Cindy's brother Rick articulated the reason in August when he posted on an MSN group as "Mama_Mouse" (p. 2984):
which contained the "obituary" found on the computer, a number of
sleuths on the boards were speculating that Mr. Ortiz himself was the father.
He certainly met the known criteria at the time, with the exception
being that he was Hispanic, and Caylee had no Hispanic traits. Rick
pointed this out in several emails to Cindy (and Cindy never told him
about Eric), including this excerpt from Aug 20:
standard operating procedure, and the timing of this story dovetails
well with two other documented events around that timeframe, one being
KC's jealousy of Cindy at caylee's 2nd birthday party in August.
Her use of that particular birthday as an anchor for her tragic story
may have been a way for her to recapture ownership of that birthday
from Cindy, if that makes sense.
I can imagine the questions about the biological father intensified in
October when she had a second go at a relationship with Jesse that
lasted through November. Speculating, I can hear Cindy badgering "Well
he is not Caylee's father, so why are you going out with him again
after you called things off before? Are you ever going to get with
Caylee's father again?" to which KC would have replied "Mom, I can't because he is dead. And besides that, he was married."
Do note from the computer forensic report that the "obituary" file was created on October 5, 2007 and last accessed on November 5, 2007. What I find interesting too is that the file was stored under the user account "casey", which was the account George and Cindy used. Casey used account "owner", and one can find her IM's located there.
IMHO, KC put the file in a place where either her mother could find it or she could easily produce it.
In a nutshell, the story was created to get Cindy to quit asking about the dad - nothing else.
Let's deconstruct KC's story, beginning with the "obituary", shall we?
First, as with the nanny, no one has been able to find Eric James Baker.
No Eric Baker or Erik Baker (with or without the "J" middle initial)
has ever been found to have attended Colonial High School while KC was
there, so we can scratch the idea they went to high school together.
Four Eric Bakers died in 2007, the closest one matching KC's description being in North Carolina on Aug 30, born May 13, 1983. None have the middle initial "J" (see here).
KC's Eric James Baker simply never existed.
If the father's name, birth date, and date of death were fictional, what about the quote shown in the obituary from Jesus Ortiz?
It turns out, Jesus Ortiz really did exist. He was a classmate and
friend of KC's at Colonial High, and he died in a car accident on May
8, 2007. The article describing the accident can be found here.
Excerpt:
The lives ofThe obituary can be found here.
three UCF students were changed forever May 8 when a violent car crash
on Alafaya Trail left one student dead and sent two to the hospital.
Jesus Ortiz, a business major, died in the crash.
The quote attributed to Jesus Ortiz in the Eric James Baker obit is
lifted directly from the "Who I'd Like To Meet" section of his myspace.
A screenshot of his myspace is here:
JesusOrtizMyspace.PNG
Once again KC weaves truth in with fiction in building a believable lie.
So why did she create this fictional father? I think Cindy's brother Rick articulated the reason in August when he posted on an MSN group as "Mama_Mouse" (p. 2984):
"Casey told [sic] Cindy this story to get Cindy off her back about who the father might be. Cindy bought it hook, line and sinker."As a side note, prior to the document release in September
which contained the "obituary" found on the computer, a number of
sleuths on the boards were speculating that Mr. Ortiz himself was the father.
He certainly met the known criteria at the time, with the exception
being that he was Hispanic, and Caylee had no Hispanic traits. Rick
pointed this out in several emails to Cindy (and Cindy never told him
about Eric), including this excerpt from Aug 20:
Does anyoneIMHO, making up such a story would fit in with KC's
other than Casey know the babysitter and can they vouch or have they
seen her in person. Simple question that you didn't answer. I said that
I would believe you if someone other than Casey could validate it. No
sitter, no kidnapping. Maybe she gave Caylee
to the real father to take care of? Jesus Ortiz is too Hispanic to be
the real father. That is another made up story.
standard operating procedure, and the timing of this story dovetails
well with two other documented events around that timeframe, one being
KC's jealousy of Cindy at caylee's 2nd birthday party in August.
Her use of that particular birthday as an anchor for her tragic story
may have been a way for her to recapture ownership of that birthday
from Cindy, if that makes sense.
I can imagine the questions about the biological father intensified in
October when she had a second go at a relationship with Jesse that
lasted through November. Speculating, I can hear Cindy badgering "Well
he is not Caylee's father, so why are you going out with him again
after you called things off before? Are you ever going to get with
Caylee's father again?" to which KC would have replied "Mom, I can't because he is dead. And besides that, he was married."
Do note from the computer forensic report that the "obituary" file was created on October 5, 2007 and last accessed on November 5, 2007. What I find interesting too is that the file was stored under the user account "casey", which was the account George and Cindy used. Casey used account "owner", and one can find her IM's located there.
IMHO, KC put the file in a place where either her mother could find it or she could easily produce it.
In a nutshell, the story was created to get Cindy to quit asking about the dad - nothing else.
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72017&page=18
So who is Caylee's dad?
As I posted last week, we know that KC weaves truth in with her lies
to make them more believable, at least to her. But in doing so it
exposes her to little slips now and then, and I am wondering if she made such a slip in the following exchange at Universal studios (p. 120):
The Anthony's moved to Hopespring Dr. from Ohio when KC was 3 1/2 (KC
DOB: March 19, 1986, Hopespring purchase: Oct. 4, 1989). Only one male
friend has stated he has known KC since they were that young: Ryan P.
There are several pieces of circumstantial evidence that help support
the theory that Ryan P. could be the birth father. One is a text
message exchange with Amy that Bond brought to my attention. This text exchange w/ Amy hinted at a different relationship between Casey & Ryan than just close friends (Text appears to have been on 5/26):
of Ryan's life seem to play a major role in KC's lies, leading me to
believe that Ryan is a big part of KC's subconscious.
saying he must have known and is withholding information, remember this
is all speculation.
If my hunch is correct, however, IMHO Ryan is legitimately ignorant of the fact he might be Caylee's father. All KC would have to do if Ryan even suspected (no guarantees there as many ladies on the board have pointed out )
is tell him Jesse is the father. When that story falls apart then it
simply turns into the one-night stand story around the time she met
Jesse - in January 2005. In Ryan's mind he'd have a two month buffer -
no way it could be him. Assuming he even slept with her in the first
place, and did so in November 2004.
Speculation only.
Didn't we decide that this is Ryan Pasley?
So who is Caylee's dad?
As I posted last week, we know that KC weaves truth in with her lies
to make them more believable, at least to her. But in doing so it
exposes her to little slips now and then, and I am wondering if she made such a slip in the following exchange at Universal studios (p. 120):
(SERGEANT ALLEN)So here KC is saying that she had known Caylee's father since she was at least as young as six or seven years old.
Q Zenaida give you any money that day?
A No. I would not have sold my daughter. If I wanted to really just get
rid of her. I would've left her with my parents and I would've left. I
would've moved out. I would've given my mom custody.
(DETECTIVE WELLS)
Q What about the baby's dad's parents would you have left her with them too?
A I haven't talked to them since we were probably six or seven years old. Since we were little kids. That was probably the last time I saw ..
Q You don't have a phone...
A .... or talked to them.
Q .. .for 'em?
A No I do not.
The Anthony's moved to Hopespring Dr. from Ohio when KC was 3 1/2 (KC
DOB: March 19, 1986, Hopespring purchase: Oct. 4, 1989). Only one male
friend has stated he has known KC since they were that young: Ryan P.
There are several pieces of circumstantial evidence that help support
the theory that Ryan P. could be the birth father. One is a text
message exchange with Amy that Bond brought to my attention. This text exchange w/ Amy hinted at a different relationship between Casey & Ryan than just close friends (Text appears to have been on 5/26):
Amy to Casey: "Yeah. Those boys were too young last night. Even the older ones I wasn’t really attracted to. this sucks. I really want a guy. I’veAnother thing that has caught my attention is that pieces
never had anything real. Jason really truly loved me but didn’t know
how to act. I want that love in a good guy. I miss that love so much."
Casey to Amy: "I'm right there with ya! That’s how Ryan was. I want to be able to share my time and love with someone and have it be special. No more boys. We need men."
of Ryan's life seem to play a major role in KC's lies, leading me to
believe that Ryan is a big part of KC's subconscious.
- Ryan worked at Sport's Authority, and KC lied to Annie, Brittany, Lauren, the Grunds, and her own parents about working there for many months. In fact, one of her biggest lies prior to June, 2008 was being robbed of $4000 at gunpoint while working there!
- Since Jan 2008, Ryan was living and going to school in Jacksonville. The fictional Jeff Hopkins who KC was dating, visiting, going to get the Pontiac worked on, introduced KC to the nanny, etc. lived in Jacksonville
(the real Jeff Hopkins lives in Tallahasee). They worked "together" at
Universal, similarly to Ryan and KC working "together" at Sport's
Authority. - The fictional Jacksonville connection is bolstered by what KC told Anthony R: she was moving up to Jacksonville to live with some guy she was dating up there (Mike or Matt) and would be buying a home for her and her daughter (p. 630). This was in January 2008.
saying he must have known and is withholding information, remember this
is all speculation.
If my hunch is correct, however, IMHO Ryan is legitimately ignorant of the fact he might be Caylee's father. All KC would have to do if Ryan even suspected (no guarantees there as many ladies on the board have pointed out )
is tell him Jesse is the father. When that story falls apart then it
simply turns into the one-night stand story around the time she met
Jesse - in January 2005. In Ryan's mind he'd have a two month buffer -
no way it could be him. Assuming he even slept with her in the first
place, and did so in November 2004.
Speculation only.
Didn't we decide that this is Ryan Pasley?
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Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
Eric F. Baker is the one who LE pulled the Kentucky Death Cert on, died in an auto accident in Kentucky and we got it in a doc dump.....
Detective Melich requested a keyword search for "Eric Baker." The name "Eric James Baker" was bookmarked under the section of the same name within the
report.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf
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There is an Eric F. Baker’s death certificate in the released documents.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf
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born March 8, 1989 in Dayton, Ohio
died May 4, 2007 in Maysville, Kentucky - 18 yrs old –
auto accident May 3
race – Black/White
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MYSPACE
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=249613227
In Loving Memory of Eric F. Baker
Eric's sister - Tanesha Duncan -Sister http://www.myspace.com/billyrays_girl88
Eric's Mom Gale Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/mom_wife_08_lovejesus2008
Eric's little sister - Ashlee Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/babygurlky_66
Eric's friend - Megan Howard - http://www.myspace.com/perfectlyme09
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http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
doc dump released April 6, 2010 - Casey's jail letters to Robyn Adams
And then Casey says in a letter to Robyn that Eric in Kentucky is the bio Dad
page 65 - "There were two possible guys in mind, both a few months apart - Caylee's Dad - Eric, and Jesse. I had seen Eric in Nov '04 - old friend, one of "those" weekends, and he went back to Kentucky and work. Jesse and I started dating in Jan. '05. It didn't last long - ass - Anyway, when I told him I was pregnant, even after knowing I had that night a month before him (Happy Thanksgiving '04), Jess thought or claimed rather that he was the Dad.
Drama ....." only a couple of people know the truth behind that. Not like Jesse has told the real truth, but whatever - stupid boy!!
Shouldn't expect any less - that's why when I told you he was in love with the idea of being a dad, ie proposing, I don't think I was too off base."
Detective Melich requested a keyword search for "Eric Baker." The name "Eric James Baker" was bookmarked under the section of the same name within the
report.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf
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There is an Eric F. Baker’s death certificate in the released documents.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf
Page 19 of 59
born March 8, 1989 in Dayton, Ohio
died May 4, 2007 in Maysville, Kentucky - 18 yrs old –
auto accident May 3
race – Black/White
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MYSPACE
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=249613227
In Loving Memory of Eric F. Baker
Eric's sister - Tanesha Duncan -Sister http://www.myspace.com/billyrays_girl88
Eric's Mom Gale Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/mom_wife_08_lovejesus2008
Eric's little sister - Ashlee Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/babygurlky_66
Eric's friend - Megan Howard - http://www.myspace.com/perfectlyme09
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http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
doc dump released April 6, 2010 - Casey's jail letters to Robyn Adams
And then Casey says in a letter to Robyn that Eric in Kentucky is the bio Dad
page 65 - "There were two possible guys in mind, both a few months apart - Caylee's Dad - Eric, and Jesse. I had seen Eric in Nov '04 - old friend, one of "those" weekends, and he went back to Kentucky and work. Jesse and I started dating in Jan. '05. It didn't last long - ass - Anyway, when I told him I was pregnant, even after knowing I had that night a month before him (Happy Thanksgiving '04), Jess thought or claimed rather that he was the Dad.
Drama ....." only a couple of people know the truth behind that. Not like Jesse has told the real truth, but whatever - stupid boy!!
Shouldn't expect any less - that's why when I told you he was in love with the idea of being a dad, ie proposing, I don't think I was too off base."
The_Thinker- Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear
- Job/hobbies : Dear Caylee**gone but not forgotten**
Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
We discussed him ages ago . . .
http://www.justice4caylee.org/rumors-gossip-innuendo-f27/another-candidate-for-baby-daddy-t1387.htm#194388
http://www.justice4caylee.org/rumors-gossip-innuendo-f27/another-candidate-for-baby-daddy-t1387.htm#194388
mom_in_il- Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear
Re: Another Candidate for "Baby Daddy"
So he would have been 15 yrs old at conception (Nov. 2004)?The_Thinker wrote:Eric F. Baker is the one who LE pulled the Kentucky Death Cert on, died in an auto accident in Kentucky and we got it in a doc dump.....
Detective Melich requested a keyword search for "Eric Baker." The name "Eric James Baker" was bookmarked under the section of the same name within the
report.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf
Page 3 of 39
*****************************************************************************
There is an Eric F. Baker’s death certificate in the released documents.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf
Page 19 of 59
born March 8, 1989 in Dayton, Ohio
died May 4, 2007 in Maysville, Kentucky - 18 yrs old –
auto accident May 3
race – Black/White
*********************************************************************************
MYSPACE
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=249613227
In Loving Memory of Eric F. Baker
Eric's sister - Tanesha Duncan -Sister http://www.myspace.com/billyrays_girl88
Eric's Mom Gale Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/mom_wife_08_lovejesus2008
Eric's little sister - Ashlee Ridner - http://www.myspace.com/babygurlky_66
Eric's friend - Megan Howard - http://www.myspace.com/perfectlyme09
********************************************************************************
http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
doc dump released April 6, 2010 - Casey's jail letters to Robyn Adams
And then Casey says in a letter to Robyn that Eric in Kentucky is the bio Dad
page 65 - "There were two possible guys in mind, both a few months apart - Caylee's Dad - Eric, and Jesse. I had seen Eric in Nov '04 - old friend, one of "those" weekends, and he went back to Kentucky and work. Jesse and I started dating in Jan. '05. It didn't last long - ass - Anyway, when I told him I was pregnant, even after knowing I had that night a month before him (Happy Thanksgiving '04), Jess thought or claimed rather that he was the Dad.
Drama ....." only a couple of people know the truth behind that. Not like Jesse has told the real truth, but whatever - stupid boy!!
Shouldn't expect any less - that's why when I told you he was in love with the idea of being a dad, ie proposing, I don't think I was too off base."
just_a_mom- Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear
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