The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
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The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1798
Posted on March 2nd, 2010 by Valhall
There is a member on ScaredMonkeys.com forum who posted a link to a video of Bill Sheaffer talking to Kathi Belich about Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover’s November 2008 searches of the area where Caylee was found a month later. I had long forgotten about this conversation between Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich. In it, Mr. Sheaffer voices that he believes the search was staged. It’s been quite some time since I read the interviews of Dominic and Jim with OCSO, so I decided to revisit them and found that because of the many incongruities in their stories, I have been “misremembering” the details. I will state upfront that I agree with Mr. Sheaffer. The search was staged, but I don’t believe by both men – only one. I believe the second was kept clueless so that he could substantiate exactly what he was directed to see – which was NOTHING.
To try and make sense of Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover’s stories surrounding the November 15th/16th, 2008 searches is like skeet shooting while seeing double. The best you can do is aim for the middle and hope for the best – but hitting something of substance is going to be near blind luck. Of the two of them, I’m more inclined to believe Jim is telling the greater portion of the truth than Dominic Casey. And I don’t particularly think that’s because Jim’s a man of high integrity wanting to get the truth out. I think he inadvertently ends up more honest because he never knew what the truth was in the first place. In other words, he wasn’t made privy to the real reason Dominic Casey drug him out there, and so he never really knew what he wasn’t supposed to tell and was supposed to tell. His role was “Patsy-with-a-camera”.
Posted on March 2nd, 2010 by Valhall
There is a member on ScaredMonkeys.com forum who posted a link to a video of Bill Sheaffer talking to Kathi Belich about Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover’s November 2008 searches of the area where Caylee was found a month later. I had long forgotten about this conversation between Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich. In it, Mr. Sheaffer voices that he believes the search was staged. It’s been quite some time since I read the interviews of Dominic and Jim with OCSO, so I decided to revisit them and found that because of the many incongruities in their stories, I have been “misremembering” the details. I will state upfront that I agree with Mr. Sheaffer. The search was staged, but I don’t believe by both men – only one. I believe the second was kept clueless so that he could substantiate exactly what he was directed to see – which was NOTHING.
To try and make sense of Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover’s stories surrounding the November 15th/16th, 2008 searches is like skeet shooting while seeing double. The best you can do is aim for the middle and hope for the best – but hitting something of substance is going to be near blind luck. Of the two of them, I’m more inclined to believe Jim is telling the greater portion of the truth than Dominic Casey. And I don’t particularly think that’s because Jim’s a man of high integrity wanting to get the truth out. I think he inadvertently ends up more honest because he never knew what the truth was in the first place. In other words, he wasn’t made privy to the real reason Dominic Casey drug him out there, and so he never really knew what he wasn’t supposed to tell and was supposed to tell. His role was “Patsy-with-a-camera”.
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Re: The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
WFTV's interview with Ginette Lucas: http://www.wftv.com/video/18477034/index.html
Pavers NEVER mentioned . . .
Pavers NEVER mentioned . . .
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Re: The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
NANCY GRACE
Aired January 13, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
Excerpt:
GRACE: Everybody, just take a look at that video of Anthony`s private investigator there on the scene. Here he is coming out of woods where Caylee was discarded, talking on the cell phone. There`s additional video of him digging down into the earth, looking for something buried. There you see him cutting, slashing into trash bags just like the one in which little Caylee was buried. Why? That`s from WFTV. It`s the Anthonys` PI in the woods, rifling through trash bags before Caylee was discovered by police, anyway.
And with us right now, the woman who says she led him to that location, Ginnette Matcia (SIC). She is a psychic who claims Dominic Casey was on the phone with her during the search. Ms. Matcia, thank you for being with us.
GINNETTE LUCAS, PSYCHIC: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: Now, did -- how did you get hooked up with Dominic Casey to start with?
LUCAS: Well, I have a big reputation in the northern Virginia- D.C. area, and another fellow dowser -- do you know what dowsing is?
GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat?
LUCAS: Can you hear me? Another fellow dowser called me and asked me to do some location work for the Anthony case.
GRACE: Yes.
LUCAS: And I said, Sure, what the heck, go ahead, let`s try it. So he called down there. And I guess he had spoken with Sergeant Allen and Allen wasn`t interested. And then I guess he spoke with Dominic Casey and Dominic Casey said he was interested.
And every time I worked on it, I couldn`t get the information. So eventually, one day, I picked up the information and I called Dominic right away about 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning on the 15th. And I said, I have what I call "the fast and final." I had some training from a former retired -- now retired D.C. detective, Detective Mike Helwig (ph) of the forensics department of D.C. police, and he would always give me pointers of how to, you know, attempt to go into a crime scene and so forth. And I`m also a former private investigator...
GRACE: What you were telling him on the phone, Ms. Lucas?
LUCAS: I told him to go over to the area where an abandoned house was. I told him, When you leave the Anthony house, come out the front -- pretend you`re coming out the front door, take a right and go to the end of the street, and go to where the abandoned house is and...
GRACE: Right. And were you -- were you giving him specific directions while you were on the phone with him?
LUCAS: Oh, absolutely. We were on the phone off and on for a while.
GRACE: Have you ever seen the location?
LUCAS: No.
GRACE: So this was all from your psychic feelings about the location?
LUCAS: Right. But that`s what I do. I do it all the time.
GRACE: And is it true that you had at some point a teddy bear that once belonged to little Caylee and you presumably channeled information through that?
LUCAS: No, I didn`t channel. I`m not a channeler. I`m a...
GRACE: OK, did you have a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee?
LUCAS: Yes. Oh, yes. They mailed it to me.
GRACE: Did you use it in any way?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I touched the teddy bear and...
GRACE: Right. And what happened when you touched the teddy bear?
LUCAS: I didn`t get much. And I didn`t proceed much. And then I put down the teddy bear, put out a picture, a map, touched it, went to bed. And I had a dream about the information, got the final location, got up at 3:00 in the morning and called him and left him a message. And I said, Call me right away. I`ve got it and I want you to go check it out immediately.
GRACE: What was the dream, Ms. Lucas?
LUCAS: That she was in a plastic bag. I said there might be two plastic bags, a white one and a dark brown -- not a brown but a black one, and then a dark green one. And I said, Don`t -- I said, You`re not looking for a little person sitting on the curb, you`re looking for garbage, what looks like garbage.
GRACE: Did you turn over your cell phone records to police?
LUCAS: No, I`m trying to get ahold of it through Verizon. I`m not having an easy time with Verizon.
GRACE: Do you get a monthly bill?
LUCAS: Well, it goes to my dad`s office. So he...
GRACE: Well, wouldn`t that be a monthly bill that shows all of the phone calls?
LUCAS: My dad says it`s not on there. So I`ve called Verizon and they said they couldn`t get it.
GRACE: They couldn`t get what?
LUCAS: They couldn`t get the detailed phone calls. So I`m going to go talk to a supervisor tomorrow.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html
Aired January 13, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
Excerpt:
GRACE: Everybody, just take a look at that video of Anthony`s private investigator there on the scene. Here he is coming out of woods where Caylee was discarded, talking on the cell phone. There`s additional video of him digging down into the earth, looking for something buried. There you see him cutting, slashing into trash bags just like the one in which little Caylee was buried. Why? That`s from WFTV. It`s the Anthonys` PI in the woods, rifling through trash bags before Caylee was discovered by police, anyway.
And with us right now, the woman who says she led him to that location, Ginnette Matcia (SIC). She is a psychic who claims Dominic Casey was on the phone with her during the search. Ms. Matcia, thank you for being with us.
GINNETTE LUCAS, PSYCHIC: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: Now, did -- how did you get hooked up with Dominic Casey to start with?
LUCAS: Well, I have a big reputation in the northern Virginia- D.C. area, and another fellow dowser -- do you know what dowsing is?
GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat?
LUCAS: Can you hear me? Another fellow dowser called me and asked me to do some location work for the Anthony case.
GRACE: Yes.
LUCAS: And I said, Sure, what the heck, go ahead, let`s try it. So he called down there. And I guess he had spoken with Sergeant Allen and Allen wasn`t interested. And then I guess he spoke with Dominic Casey and Dominic Casey said he was interested.
And every time I worked on it, I couldn`t get the information. So eventually, one day, I picked up the information and I called Dominic right away about 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning on the 15th. And I said, I have what I call "the fast and final." I had some training from a former retired -- now retired D.C. detective, Detective Mike Helwig (ph) of the forensics department of D.C. police, and he would always give me pointers of how to, you know, attempt to go into a crime scene and so forth. And I`m also a former private investigator...
GRACE: What you were telling him on the phone, Ms. Lucas?
LUCAS: I told him to go over to the area where an abandoned house was. I told him, When you leave the Anthony house, come out the front -- pretend you`re coming out the front door, take a right and go to the end of the street, and go to where the abandoned house is and...
GRACE: Right. And were you -- were you giving him specific directions while you were on the phone with him?
LUCAS: Oh, absolutely. We were on the phone off and on for a while.
GRACE: Have you ever seen the location?
LUCAS: No.
GRACE: So this was all from your psychic feelings about the location?
LUCAS: Right. But that`s what I do. I do it all the time.
GRACE: And is it true that you had at some point a teddy bear that once belonged to little Caylee and you presumably channeled information through that?
LUCAS: No, I didn`t channel. I`m not a channeler. I`m a...
GRACE: OK, did you have a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee?
LUCAS: Yes. Oh, yes. They mailed it to me.
GRACE: Did you use it in any way?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I touched the teddy bear and...
GRACE: Right. And what happened when you touched the teddy bear?
LUCAS: I didn`t get much. And I didn`t proceed much. And then I put down the teddy bear, put out a picture, a map, touched it, went to bed. And I had a dream about the information, got the final location, got up at 3:00 in the morning and called him and left him a message. And I said, Call me right away. I`ve got it and I want you to go check it out immediately.
GRACE: What was the dream, Ms. Lucas?
LUCAS: That she was in a plastic bag. I said there might be two plastic bags, a white one and a dark brown -- not a brown but a black one, and then a dark green one. And I said, Don`t -- I said, You`re not looking for a little person sitting on the curb, you`re looking for garbage, what looks like garbage.
GRACE: Did you turn over your cell phone records to police?
LUCAS: No, I`m trying to get ahold of it through Verizon. I`m not having an easy time with Verizon.
GRACE: Do you get a monthly bill?
LUCAS: Well, it goes to my dad`s office. So he...
GRACE: Well, wouldn`t that be a monthly bill that shows all of the phone calls?
LUCAS: My dad says it`s not on there. So I`ve called Verizon and they said they couldn`t get it.
GRACE: They couldn`t get what?
LUCAS: They couldn`t get the detailed phone calls. So I`m going to go talk to a supervisor tomorrow.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html
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Re: The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
Phone calls of interest:
6:43am Ginny cell outgoing call to DC’s office lasting 2 minutes
6:51am Ginny cell outgoing call to DC’s cell lasting 2 minutes
6:58am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
7:02am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 2 minutes
7:02am Ginny cell incoming call from DC’s cell lasting 1 minute
7:06am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 1 minute
7:06am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
7:12am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 29 minutes
9:02am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
9:03am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
9:03am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 1 minute
9:04am Ginny cell incoming call from DC’s cell lasting 1 minute
9:04am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 14 minutes (9:04-9:18am)
9:26am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 9 minutes (9:26-9:35am)
Source: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1798
6:43am Ginny cell outgoing call to DC’s office lasting 2 minutes
6:51am Ginny cell outgoing call to DC’s cell lasting 2 minutes
6:58am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
7:02am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 2 minutes
7:02am Ginny cell incoming call from DC’s cell lasting 1 minute
7:06am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 1 minute
7:06am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
7:12am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 29 minutes
9:02am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
9:03am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 1 minute
9:03am DC call to Ginny’s cell lasting 1 minute
9:04am Ginny cell incoming call from DC’s cell lasting 1 minute
9:04am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 14 minutes (9:04-9:18am)
9:26am DC call to Ginny’s home lasting 9 minutes (9:26-9:35am)
Source: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1798
mom_in_il- Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear
Re: The Search: Jim Hoover’s 12/18/08 interview with OCSO by ValHall
WESH's video of the search: http://www.wesh.com/video/20728364/index.html
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