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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Battle of the Timelines
Samantha Brando Emerging as Key Witness
Different news sources published timelines yesterday, detailing the events of Oct. 3 to Oct. 4, when baby Lisa Irwin disappeared from her crib in Kansas City, Mo. The Kansas City Star said its timeline was provided by a source familiar with the family's recollection of the events. KCTV 5 said its timeline is based on what Lisa Irwin's family and witnesses told police, suggesting the possibility that the information came from someone in the police department. Both reports provide information suggesting that Bradley and Irwin's next-door neighbor may be a key witness.
NBC published a similar, less detailed, timeline today, attributing its information to a source who has had direct contact with multiple family members including Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.
Samantha Brando's Visit
The new timelines differ in some details, including a visit by Deborah Bradley's next-door neighbor and drinking companion Samantha Brando. The Star doesn't specify when Brando arrived at the Bradley-Irwin home Oct. 3 but describes it after saying Bradley's brother Phillip Netz and husband Jeremy Irwin had left the house, potentially placing her arrival later than 5:30 p.m. Netz was said to have left shortly after 5 p.m. and Irwin a half-hour later. Bradley put Lisa in her crib at 6:40 according to this source, while Brando headed for the store to buy liquor, returning about 7 p.m.
KCTV 5's source says Brando was at Bradley's house before Netz and Bradley left for Festival Foods at about 5 p.m. but her whereabouts while they were shopping is unknown. According to KCTV 5, it was 6 p.m., not 6:40 when Brando made her booze run, and about 6:30, not 7, when she returned. According to this report, Brando's 4-year-old daughter reported seeing baby Lisa at about 6:30, the same time it says Bradley put the baby to bed, while Samantha Brando last saw the baby at 4:30 p.m.
The NBC report says Brando returned to the Bradley home briefly at 6 then left, and otherwise concurs with the KCTV 5 report on timing of the visit.
Missing from the Timelines
The timelines omit key information concerning Brando and her daughter. The Star and KCTV 5 reports place Brando on the front stoop with Bradley drinking for three and one-half to four hours. Neither mentions whether Brando entered the Bradley home at any time during this interval to use the bathroom or check on her 4-year-old daughter inside the home.
The Star timeline has Brando leaving Bradley's home when Bradley said she was going to bed at 10:30 p.m. KCTV places Brando outside talking to another neighbor until 11:30 p.m. when she went inside and went to bed. The report asserts that the lights were off in the Bradley-Irwin home at 11:30, with Brando saying no abduction could have taken place before 11:30.
Where was Brando's 4-year-old daughter from 10:30 to 11:30 p.m.? Neither report attributes any time for Brando taking her child out of Bradley's home or putting her to bed. Addressing this critical omission could potentially leave room in the timeline for removal of baby Lisa from the Irwin home earlier than 11:30 p.m.
Irwin's Return
Both KCTV 5 and the Star reports state that Irwin left Starbucks to return home at 3:45 a.m. Oct. 4. KCTV 5 notes that police have been able to verify that Irwin was at Starbucks "until about 3:30 p.m."
The Star and KCTV 5 timelines provide discrepant descriptions involving Lisa's room on Irwin's return home. The Star says the baby's door was open but Irwin didn't peek inside. KCTV 5 says Irwin doesn't remember whether the door was open. Bradley was still asleep at this time by both reports, so the information could only have come from Irwin. Both reports say he checked the boys' room and saw his son in bed, went into his and Bradley's bedroom and spoke with Bradley, then "realized he had not checked on Lisa." The NBC timeline merely notes that Irwin checked on Lisa without providing further details.
All three reports note that on finding Lisa missing, Irwin ran to Brando's house to see if Brando had the baby. Brando asked why the baby would be with her and not at home, the KCTV 5 and Star reports said.
Brando may have a more significant role in the investigation into what happened to baby Lisa than previously reported, given these new details.
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-battle-timelines-192435098.html
Samantha Brando Emerging as Key Witness
Different news sources published timelines yesterday, detailing the events of Oct. 3 to Oct. 4, when baby Lisa Irwin disappeared from her crib in Kansas City, Mo. The Kansas City Star said its timeline was provided by a source familiar with the family's recollection of the events. KCTV 5 said its timeline is based on what Lisa Irwin's family and witnesses told police, suggesting the possibility that the information came from someone in the police department. Both reports provide information suggesting that Bradley and Irwin's next-door neighbor may be a key witness.
NBC published a similar, less detailed, timeline today, attributing its information to a source who has had direct contact with multiple family members including Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.
Samantha Brando's Visit
The new timelines differ in some details, including a visit by Deborah Bradley's next-door neighbor and drinking companion Samantha Brando. The Star doesn't specify when Brando arrived at the Bradley-Irwin home Oct. 3 but describes it after saying Bradley's brother Phillip Netz and husband Jeremy Irwin had left the house, potentially placing her arrival later than 5:30 p.m. Netz was said to have left shortly after 5 p.m. and Irwin a half-hour later. Bradley put Lisa in her crib at 6:40 according to this source, while Brando headed for the store to buy liquor, returning about 7 p.m.
KCTV 5's source says Brando was at Bradley's house before Netz and Bradley left for Festival Foods at about 5 p.m. but her whereabouts while they were shopping is unknown. According to KCTV 5, it was 6 p.m., not 6:40 when Brando made her booze run, and about 6:30, not 7, when she returned. According to this report, Brando's 4-year-old daughter reported seeing baby Lisa at about 6:30, the same time it says Bradley put the baby to bed, while Samantha Brando last saw the baby at 4:30 p.m.
The NBC report says Brando returned to the Bradley home briefly at 6 then left, and otherwise concurs with the KCTV 5 report on timing of the visit.
Missing from the Timelines
The timelines omit key information concerning Brando and her daughter. The Star and KCTV 5 reports place Brando on the front stoop with Bradley drinking for three and one-half to four hours. Neither mentions whether Brando entered the Bradley home at any time during this interval to use the bathroom or check on her 4-year-old daughter inside the home.
The Star timeline has Brando leaving Bradley's home when Bradley said she was going to bed at 10:30 p.m. KCTV places Brando outside talking to another neighbor until 11:30 p.m. when she went inside and went to bed. The report asserts that the lights were off in the Bradley-Irwin home at 11:30, with Brando saying no abduction could have taken place before 11:30.
Where was Brando's 4-year-old daughter from 10:30 to 11:30 p.m.? Neither report attributes any time for Brando taking her child out of Bradley's home or putting her to bed. Addressing this critical omission could potentially leave room in the timeline for removal of baby Lisa from the Irwin home earlier than 11:30 p.m.
Irwin's Return
Both KCTV 5 and the Star reports state that Irwin left Starbucks to return home at 3:45 a.m. Oct. 4. KCTV 5 notes that police have been able to verify that Irwin was at Starbucks "until about 3:30 p.m."
The Star and KCTV 5 timelines provide discrepant descriptions involving Lisa's room on Irwin's return home. The Star says the baby's door was open but Irwin didn't peek inside. KCTV 5 says Irwin doesn't remember whether the door was open. Bradley was still asleep at this time by both reports, so the information could only have come from Irwin. Both reports say he checked the boys' room and saw his son in bed, went into his and Bradley's bedroom and spoke with Bradley, then "realized he had not checked on Lisa." The NBC timeline merely notes that Irwin checked on Lisa without providing further details.
All three reports note that on finding Lisa missing, Irwin ran to Brando's house to see if Brando had the baby. Brando asked why the baby would be with her and not at home, the KCTV 5 and Star reports said.
Brando may have a more significant role in the investigation into what happened to baby Lisa than previously reported, given these new details.
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-battle-timelines-192435098.html
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
TWISTED SECRET LIFE OF BABY LISA MOM
Shocking new twist -- the mother of missing BABY LISA Irwin, DEBORAH BRADLEY – has been accused of being a cold-hearted temptress who attempted to seduce the husband of a former friend.
An in-depth ENQUIRER investigation ripped the lid off the shocking charges surrounding the 25-year-old mom, who projects herself in interviews as a distraught mother shattered by the disappearance of her 11-month-old daughter.
We spoke to neighbors who knew Deborah in 2003 when she was the wife of soldier Sean Bradley at Fort Bragg, N.C. – and they say she deliberately planned to bed the husband of another Army wife.
“Deborah was supposed to be my friend, but she tried to seduce my husband,” Sara Evarts, 29, of Clearwater, Fla., told The ENQUIRER.
Sara, who lived across the street from Deborah at Fort Bragg, recalled how the now-heavyset mom was a slender, buxom brunette and considered the most beautiful of the soldiers’ wives.
One evening, Sara said, while she was at work, Deborah went over to her home to “borrow something,” from her then-husband Jason and made no attempt to leave.
“When my husband asked her to go because he was ready to go to bed, she joked, ‘Oh, I’ll join you,’ and started taking off her blouse!” Sara recalled. “My husband made her leave.
“I came home late that night, and Jason was sitting in the dark, and he said, ‘We need to talk.’
“He told me that after Debbie made her move, he told her, ‘This isn’t funny,’ and showed her out the door.”
Even more alarming, another Army wife and neighbor, Shirley Pfaff, said that Deborah bragged to her that she had planned to seduce Jason.
“She said, ‘I’m going to get her husband, just to hurt Sara,’ ” Shirley told The ENQUIRER.
When we contacted Jason, who’s now divorced from Sara, he recalled the incident and said that he “wasn’t about to allow anything to happen” with Deborah.
Sara said that she told other Army wives about the seduction attempt and recalled how Deborah “pulled up in her car, blocking my driveway, and said, ‘I would never try to sleep with your husband. He’s ugly. I could do much better.’
“Once she fixated on me, it wasn’t funny. Believe me, she is not the woman you’re seeing on TV. There are some dark sides to her. In my opinion, she enjoyed messing up people’s lives, just for fun. She was a major troublemaker.”
Deborah has given contradictory statements about the disappearance of little Lisa on Oct. 4, from the Kansas City home she shares with her fiance Jeremy Irwin, 29.
But her attorney denies she had any involvement in Lisa’s disappearance and that the family continues to cling to the hope that the baby is alive and in the hands of an abductor.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/twisted-secret-life-baby-lisa-mom-deborah-bradley
Shocking new twist -- the mother of missing BABY LISA Irwin, DEBORAH BRADLEY – has been accused of being a cold-hearted temptress who attempted to seduce the husband of a former friend.
An in-depth ENQUIRER investigation ripped the lid off the shocking charges surrounding the 25-year-old mom, who projects herself in interviews as a distraught mother shattered by the disappearance of her 11-month-old daughter.
We spoke to neighbors who knew Deborah in 2003 when she was the wife of soldier Sean Bradley at Fort Bragg, N.C. – and they say she deliberately planned to bed the husband of another Army wife.
“Deborah was supposed to be my friend, but she tried to seduce my husband,” Sara Evarts, 29, of Clearwater, Fla., told The ENQUIRER.
Sara, who lived across the street from Deborah at Fort Bragg, recalled how the now-heavyset mom was a slender, buxom brunette and considered the most beautiful of the soldiers’ wives.
One evening, Sara said, while she was at work, Deborah went over to her home to “borrow something,” from her then-husband Jason and made no attempt to leave.
“When my husband asked her to go because he was ready to go to bed, she joked, ‘Oh, I’ll join you,’ and started taking off her blouse!” Sara recalled. “My husband made her leave.
“I came home late that night, and Jason was sitting in the dark, and he said, ‘We need to talk.’
“He told me that after Debbie made her move, he told her, ‘This isn’t funny,’ and showed her out the door.”
Even more alarming, another Army wife and neighbor, Shirley Pfaff, said that Deborah bragged to her that she had planned to seduce Jason.
“She said, ‘I’m going to get her husband, just to hurt Sara,’ ” Shirley told The ENQUIRER.
When we contacted Jason, who’s now divorced from Sara, he recalled the incident and said that he “wasn’t about to allow anything to happen” with Deborah.
Sara said that she told other Army wives about the seduction attempt and recalled how Deborah “pulled up in her car, blocking my driveway, and said, ‘I would never try to sleep with your husband. He’s ugly. I could do much better.’
“Once she fixated on me, it wasn’t funny. Believe me, she is not the woman you’re seeing on TV. There are some dark sides to her. In my opinion, she enjoyed messing up people’s lives, just for fun. She was a major troublemaker.”
Deborah has given contradictory statements about the disappearance of little Lisa on Oct. 4, from the Kansas City home she shares with her fiance Jeremy Irwin, 29.
But her attorney denies she had any involvement in Lisa’s disappearance and that the family continues to cling to the hope that the baby is alive and in the hands of an abductor.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/twisted-secret-life-baby-lisa-mom-deborah-bradley
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Father of abducted baby reaches out, questions actions of Baby Lisa's parents
November 6, 2011
snipped parts from another long article:
The story began much like his own. Abeyta said he knew Baby Lisa's parents would welcome him with open arms, parents of missing children always do. He was in for a big surprise.
Over the past month he's met with the family, spoken with attorneys, police, and the FBI, met with witnesses, neighbors and anyone else he could find to talk to about this missing baby.
Not long after arriving, Abeyta made the journey from his new home - a hotel room in Kansas City - to Deborah and Jeremy's relative's home on North Waldron where they stayed shortly after Baby Lisa disappeared and until they were whisked away to a secret location by their New York-based private investigator late last month.
Abeyta said nothing he's ever experienced in his years working with families could have prepared him for what he would encounter in the moments to follow.
He walked up the path to the front door, the same lump in his throat he has when he meets parents for the first time. He knocked on the door and was shocked at what he heard. "We have orders not to talk to anyone," Deborah's cousin, Mike LeRette told Abetya.
Abeyta said that of all the families of missing children he's worked with over the past 25 years he had never encountered a stiuation like this, he had never encountered parents who were virtually silenced.
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It was his first, and his last face-to-face meeting with the young couple and their family. He said if only he'd arrived a day sooner, things might have been very different. Unfortunately LeRette had already arrived and had already had time to talk with the family.
Abeyta said tension, pressure, and sadness filled every square inch of the home. He said he feels the baby's parents lost complete control over their situation once LeRette came into town from Texas with offers of big money from an anonymous wealthy benefactor.
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He was as shocked as anyone else when Deborah admitted on ABC's Good Morning America, two weeks after her baby went missing, that she'd not only been drinking the night Baby Lisa vanished but that she might have blacked out that night and didn't remember seeing her baby after 6:40 p.m., not the original 10:30 p.m. time she'd given.
He believes public opinion is vital in missing persons' cases and fears that because Deborah was honest about her shortcomings that night people focused on her instead of the fact that Baby Lisa is missing.
One would think that when a beautiful baby girl is missing her community would be rallying together organizing ground searches and would be printing and distributing flyers. Where were they? Where are they now? Why no massive volunteer ground searches like we see in so many other missing persons' cases? Why are people in Lee's Summit, a community close to Kansas Ctiy, complaining they're not seeing missing Baby Lisa flyers in store windows?
As much as Abeyta can understand and relate to what Baby Lisa's parents were going through in the early days after she disappeared, he hasn't understood for some time how Deborah and Jeremy are handling their missing baby's case.
He doesn't understand why they've allowed a high-profile New York attorney to take over the case, allowed the dismissal of a local attorney who in his opinion was the best thing they had going, and why they've chosen to not cooperate with police.
He doesn't understand how these parents could rely on advice of an attorney who was in Rome for over a week while local attorney Cyndy Short was on the ground working with a team of 17 professionals trying to find this baby. He doesn't understand how these parents can rely on the assistance of a New York "private investigator" who rides in and out of town in his shiny Cadillac, leaving the family looking worst each time he comes and goes.
Abeyta questions how much experience these two men have in working on missing baby or missing children's cases.
He also doesn't understand how going into hiding is going to help them find their baby.
And most of all, he can't understand why this family would not accept help and advice of people who have been there before, who have gone through what they're going through.
He reiterated that in most missing children's cases parents welcome him with open arms and don't want him to leave.
In this case, he barely made it through the front door for what he called a not-very-productive 30-minute interview with the family in which the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, didn't even acknowledge his presence.
Read much more at:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/father-of-abducted-baby-reaches-out-to-baby-lisa-s-family?CID=examiner_alerts_article
OP comment: This sadly is sounding very, very familiar, imo...sounds like his welcome is very much like Tim Miller when meeting the A's...and, seems things really changed when $$$ came into the picture. SO sad!
November 6, 2011
snipped parts from another long article:
The story began much like his own. Abeyta said he knew Baby Lisa's parents would welcome him with open arms, parents of missing children always do. He was in for a big surprise.
Over the past month he's met with the family, spoken with attorneys, police, and the FBI, met with witnesses, neighbors and anyone else he could find to talk to about this missing baby.
Not long after arriving, Abeyta made the journey from his new home - a hotel room in Kansas City - to Deborah and Jeremy's relative's home on North Waldron where they stayed shortly after Baby Lisa disappeared and until they were whisked away to a secret location by their New York-based private investigator late last month.
Abeyta said nothing he's ever experienced in his years working with families could have prepared him for what he would encounter in the moments to follow.
He walked up the path to the front door, the same lump in his throat he has when he meets parents for the first time. He knocked on the door and was shocked at what he heard. "We have orders not to talk to anyone," Deborah's cousin, Mike LeRette told Abetya.
Abeyta said that of all the families of missing children he's worked with over the past 25 years he had never encountered a stiuation like this, he had never encountered parents who were virtually silenced.
(and)
It was his first, and his last face-to-face meeting with the young couple and their family. He said if only he'd arrived a day sooner, things might have been very different. Unfortunately LeRette had already arrived and had already had time to talk with the family.
Abeyta said tension, pressure, and sadness filled every square inch of the home. He said he feels the baby's parents lost complete control over their situation once LeRette came into town from Texas with offers of big money from an anonymous wealthy benefactor.
(and)
He was as shocked as anyone else when Deborah admitted on ABC's Good Morning America, two weeks after her baby went missing, that she'd not only been drinking the night Baby Lisa vanished but that she might have blacked out that night and didn't remember seeing her baby after 6:40 p.m., not the original 10:30 p.m. time she'd given.
He believes public opinion is vital in missing persons' cases and fears that because Deborah was honest about her shortcomings that night people focused on her instead of the fact that Baby Lisa is missing.
One would think that when a beautiful baby girl is missing her community would be rallying together organizing ground searches and would be printing and distributing flyers. Where were they? Where are they now? Why no massive volunteer ground searches like we see in so many other missing persons' cases? Why are people in Lee's Summit, a community close to Kansas Ctiy, complaining they're not seeing missing Baby Lisa flyers in store windows?
As much as Abeyta can understand and relate to what Baby Lisa's parents were going through in the early days after she disappeared, he hasn't understood for some time how Deborah and Jeremy are handling their missing baby's case.
He doesn't understand why they've allowed a high-profile New York attorney to take over the case, allowed the dismissal of a local attorney who in his opinion was the best thing they had going, and why they've chosen to not cooperate with police.
He doesn't understand how these parents could rely on advice of an attorney who was in Rome for over a week while local attorney Cyndy Short was on the ground working with a team of 17 professionals trying to find this baby. He doesn't understand how these parents can rely on the assistance of a New York "private investigator" who rides in and out of town in his shiny Cadillac, leaving the family looking worst each time he comes and goes.
Abeyta questions how much experience these two men have in working on missing baby or missing children's cases.
He also doesn't understand how going into hiding is going to help them find their baby.
And most of all, he can't understand why this family would not accept help and advice of people who have been there before, who have gone through what they're going through.
He reiterated that in most missing children's cases parents welcome him with open arms and don't want him to leave.
In this case, he barely made it through the front door for what he called a not-very-productive 30-minute interview with the family in which the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, didn't even acknowledge his presence.
Read much more at:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/father-of-abducted-baby-reaches-out-to-baby-lisa-s-family?CID=examiner_alerts_article
OP comment: This sadly is sounding very, very familiar, imo...sounds like his welcome is very much like Tim Miller when meeting the A's...and, seems things really changed when $$$ came into the picture. SO sad!
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Hi everyone...I have done updating as best I could. Tried to find an assortment from ALL that is out there and there are lots...along with rumors I am staying away from.
A really good source...imo...to follow is Jim Spellman CNN twitter...he is honest, fair, and will not get into the rumor mill and dispells rumors too...he also post news from reliable sources as soon as available. His tweets from lastThurs states probably tomorrow Mon...we will have two new people in the mix. Maybe not good was my impression?
http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn
Lisa has now been missing over 31 days and her first birthday is this week!
A really good source...imo...to follow is Jim Spellman CNN twitter...he is honest, fair, and will not get into the rumor mill and dispells rumors too...he also post news from reliable sources as soon as available. His tweets from lastThurs states probably tomorrow Mon...we will have two new people in the mix. Maybe not good was my impression?
http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn
Lisa has now been missing over 31 days and her first birthday is this week!
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
(HUMMMM...interesting who Abeyta is implying...and NOT Jersey...imo...op comment)
Baby Lisa Update: Potential suspect profile submitted to FBI
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KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Gil Abeyta said Friday that he and his team prepared a detailed report profiling a local man as a potential suspect in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, and that the report was submitted to local police and the FBI two weeks ago.
Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young said early on that he believes people in the community know what happened to Baby Lisa and hopes someone will come forward.
Abeyta said Friday, “I believe the answer is right before us, it’s all around us. We just have to find it.”
News reports emerged over the past couple of days that a potential suspect claims to have passed a lie detector test and claims he was cleared by police, though police will not confirm this. Abeyta said some truthful people fail lie detector tests, and some untruthful people pass. He also said police don't clear suspects until the case is solved.
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Abeyta said Friday, "A person's background can provide them enough training that they can pass a polygraph test even when they are being untruthful." Conversely, he said, "There are cases where people have failed polygraph tests while they were being truthful."
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"So I’m not excited if he passed a lie detector test because of the lack of past credibility of lie detector tests. They are a great investigative tool for the police, combined with interviews, but they are most often not admissible in a court of law. They can work great in some cases, but again, there are people who can falsely pass lie detector tests," he said.
Abeyta said, "Police don't clear anybody in an ongoing missing persons' investigation. Once they're a potential suspect they should never be cleared until the case is solved.”
"I would hope that the authorities would continue following closely on this individual as we feel strongly he had not only the motive - revenge - but also the ability to pull this off," Abeyta said.
Abeyta believes events that occurred the afternoon of Oct. 3, and that appear to have escalated throughout the evening and into the early morning hours of Oct. 4, could have caused the potential suspect to “snap” and act on impulse. He surmises the abduction of Baby Lisa was not planned prior to that day.
He also believes the man has the ability, through his extensive training and professional experience, to not only kidnap the baby but to evade and elude police. “This man is by no means an amateur,” Abeyta said Friday.
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Abeyta's daughter, Denise Alves, who is part of his team that assists in finding missing children, said Friday, "We want police to go the extra mile with this potential suspect. We don't want, however, the suspect to be accused of something he might not have done."
In the potential suspect's case Abeyta said, "We're not trying to ruin a guy's life, we're trying to be sure that no stone is left unturned and that people remember one thing - a baby's life is still at stake. We believe this baby is still alive, that much time has been wasted, and that the clock keeps on ticking," he said.
read full story at:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-update-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi
Baby Lisa Update: Potential suspect profile submitted to FBI
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KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Gil Abeyta said Friday that he and his team prepared a detailed report profiling a local man as a potential suspect in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, and that the report was submitted to local police and the FBI two weeks ago.
Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young said early on that he believes people in the community know what happened to Baby Lisa and hopes someone will come forward.
Abeyta said Friday, “I believe the answer is right before us, it’s all around us. We just have to find it.”
News reports emerged over the past couple of days that a potential suspect claims to have passed a lie detector test and claims he was cleared by police, though police will not confirm this. Abeyta said some truthful people fail lie detector tests, and some untruthful people pass. He also said police don't clear suspects until the case is solved.
(and)
Abeyta said Friday, "A person's background can provide them enough training that they can pass a polygraph test even when they are being untruthful." Conversely, he said, "There are cases where people have failed polygraph tests while they were being truthful."
(and)
"So I’m not excited if he passed a lie detector test because of the lack of past credibility of lie detector tests. They are a great investigative tool for the police, combined with interviews, but they are most often not admissible in a court of law. They can work great in some cases, but again, there are people who can falsely pass lie detector tests," he said.
Abeyta said, "Police don't clear anybody in an ongoing missing persons' investigation. Once they're a potential suspect they should never be cleared until the case is solved.”
"I would hope that the authorities would continue following closely on this individual as we feel strongly he had not only the motive - revenge - but also the ability to pull this off," Abeyta said.
Abeyta believes events that occurred the afternoon of Oct. 3, and that appear to have escalated throughout the evening and into the early morning hours of Oct. 4, could have caused the potential suspect to “snap” and act on impulse. He surmises the abduction of Baby Lisa was not planned prior to that day.
He also believes the man has the ability, through his extensive training and professional experience, to not only kidnap the baby but to evade and elude police. “This man is by no means an amateur,” Abeyta said Friday.
(and)
Abeyta's daughter, Denise Alves, who is part of his team that assists in finding missing children, said Friday, "We want police to go the extra mile with this potential suspect. We don't want, however, the suspect to be accused of something he might not have done."
In the potential suspect's case Abeyta said, "We're not trying to ruin a guy's life, we're trying to be sure that no stone is left unturned and that people remember one thing - a baby's life is still at stake. We believe this baby is still alive, that much time has been wasted, and that the clock keeps on ticking," he said.
read full story at:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-update-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
KCPD: Nothing significant in neighborhood search for Baby Lisa
07, 2011 3:55 PM EST Updated: Nov 07, 2011 6:54 PM EST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -
Neighbors combed woods and other areas near the home of missing baby Lisa Irwin on Saturday.
The search included areas where witnesses said they saw a man carrying a baby in the hours in which she went missing. Lisa's maternal grandparents participated in the search.
Capt. Steve Young, spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department, said Monday afternoon that nothing significant was provided to investigators from the volunteer search. Clothes similar to those owned by baby Lisa were reported to have been found during the search.
CNN's Jim Spellman reported Monday afternoon that searches found clothing similar to what Lisa is wearing in one of the photos with her brothers. The baby's mother, Debbie Bradley, checked and those clothes were still at the family home on North Lister Avenue, Spellman said.
The baby was last seen five weeks ago by her mother. Her father, Jeremy Irwin, called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to report that someone had snatched his daughter from her crib while she was sleeping.
The infant's older half brothers, ages 5 and 8, were interviewed the day she was reported missing. Police would like a have a trained child specialist to conduct a second interview.
Young said Monday that the parents' New York attorney, Joe Taocpina, has not rescheduled those interviews, which were canceled last month.
Baby Lisa's first birthday is Friday.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15979398/kcpd-nothing-significant-in-neighborhood-search-for-baby-lisa
07, 2011 3:55 PM EST Updated: Nov 07, 2011 6:54 PM EST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -
Neighbors combed woods and other areas near the home of missing baby Lisa Irwin on Saturday.
The search included areas where witnesses said they saw a man carrying a baby in the hours in which she went missing. Lisa's maternal grandparents participated in the search.
Capt. Steve Young, spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department, said Monday afternoon that nothing significant was provided to investigators from the volunteer search. Clothes similar to those owned by baby Lisa were reported to have been found during the search.
CNN's Jim Spellman reported Monday afternoon that searches found clothing similar to what Lisa is wearing in one of the photos with her brothers. The baby's mother, Debbie Bradley, checked and those clothes were still at the family home on North Lister Avenue, Spellman said.
The baby was last seen five weeks ago by her mother. Her father, Jeremy Irwin, called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to report that someone had snatched his daughter from her crib while she was sleeping.
The infant's older half brothers, ages 5 and 8, were interviewed the day she was reported missing. Police would like a have a trained child specialist to conduct a second interview.
Young said Monday that the parents' New York attorney, Joe Taocpina, has not rescheduled those interviews, which were canceled last month.
Baby Lisa's first birthday is Friday.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15979398/kcpd-nothing-significant-in-neighborhood-search-for-baby-lisa
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
'Intruder' Theory Falling Apart in Baby Lisa Case?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1263299749001/intruder-theory-falling-apart-in-baby-lisa-case/?playlist_id=87937
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1263299749001/intruder-theory-falling-apart-in-baby-lisa-case/?playlist_id=87937
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Just checked JimS twitter...here are a couple of new tweets.
I am concerned with his reference to DA and troubling news...wondering if they have zero in case now...nothing of importance with evidence from The two homes...prints, dna...etc.
guess we will find out.
JSCNN
WebKCTV5KCTV5 Web Team
by jimspellmancnn
@jimspellmancnn Capt. Steve Young tells KCTV5 that the interviews with the older half brothers have NOT been rescheduled as of Monday PM
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
Lots more tomorrow: Info on some new figures ( you guys have been very patient about this) plus troubling comments from a local DAs office.
As for the tent question. I went down to the river yesterday with my crew and wee looked all around and found nothing.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
I see the fox thing about the boys maybe being re-interviewed this week. I haven't checked this yet but I'll lock it down by tomorrow.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
I saw Deborah briefly today and said hello. SHe was at the brothers house out in the front yard with some friends.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
She declined to speak other than to say hello.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
RE: search Saturday. Edith tells me they found baby clothes that looked like what Lisa was wearing in the shot of her at the door...
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
But Edith says DB came and checked and those clothes were still in the house. That's all per Edith, who organized the search.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 no indication DBs bro returned after dropping her off 5PMish.
I think that was misinterpreted info from an article
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@JohnN916 @starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 DB's bro saying she was drunk came from an unnamed source that gave reporters info the other day....
@JohnN916 @starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 ...so i dont know how DBs bro got the onfo. Frankly the source is not a person I have a lot of faith in
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@Qaudrille police say they need DNA from boys to eliminate and account for DNA found in house. SOP
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@Amys1867 still working on the 2new figures that I think are pretty pivotal. Lots of legwork and double checking B4 I can report anything
http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn
I am concerned with his reference to DA and troubling news...wondering if they have zero in case now...nothing of importance with evidence from The two homes...prints, dna...etc.
guess we will find out.
JSCNN
WebKCTV5KCTV5 Web Team
by jimspellmancnn
@jimspellmancnn Capt. Steve Young tells KCTV5 that the interviews with the older half brothers have NOT been rescheduled as of Monday PM
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
Lots more tomorrow: Info on some new figures ( you guys have been very patient about this) plus troubling comments from a local DAs office.
As for the tent question. I went down to the river yesterday with my crew and wee looked all around and found nothing.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
I see the fox thing about the boys maybe being re-interviewed this week. I haven't checked this yet but I'll lock it down by tomorrow.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
I saw Deborah briefly today and said hello. SHe was at the brothers house out in the front yard with some friends.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
She declined to speak other than to say hello.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
RE: search Saturday. Edith tells me they found baby clothes that looked like what Lisa was wearing in the shot of her at the door...
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
But Edith says DB came and checked and those clothes were still in the house. That's all per Edith, who organized the search.
7 hours ago
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 no indication DBs bro returned after dropping her off 5PMish.
I think that was misinterpreted info from an article
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@JohnN916 @starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 DB's bro saying she was drunk came from an unnamed source that gave reporters info the other day....
@JohnN916 @starmonkie2 @Ospainter123 ...so i dont know how DBs bro got the onfo. Frankly the source is not a person I have a lot of faith in
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@Qaudrille police say they need DNA from boys to eliminate and account for DNA found in house. SOP
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
@Amys1867 still working on the 2new figures that I think are pretty pivotal. Lots of legwork and double checking B4 I can report anything
http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Kansas City woman who got call from missing Irwin phone wants her name cleared in case
Video and Story:
Posted: 9:53 PM
Last Updated: 17 minutes ago
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A woman Tuesday identified a man she said was using her phone when it got a mystery call from one of the three cell phones stolen from the house the night Lisa Irwin disappeared on Oct. 4.
NBC Action News investigator Russ Ptacek uncovered a September restraining order in Clay County against the man Megan Wright claims has physically and emotionally abused her.
Below is the transcript from the interview with Wright on Tuesday:
Wright: "I absolutely had nothing to do with this. The whole reason I'm involved in this case is because I was trying to be nice and let people use my phone.
I just set it down on the table. Told everybody I was going downstairs with my boyfriend at the time. Told them if they need it feel free.
I was downstairs probably from 5:00 that night until midnight when I was looking for my phone again."
Russ: "So at the time the mystery call came, what happened?"
Wright: "I'm not sure, from what I was told from people who were upstairs at the time said Dane had the phone all night. I don't know if it was answered if it went to voicemail or if he was on the phone at the time.
Honestly I have no clue. I don't know if he answered and tried to leave."
Russ: "But you believe this person had the phone all night."
Wright: "From what I've been told, yes, but without me being upstairs and seeing who had the phone it is hard for me to say."
Russ: "So where is this person now?"
Wright: "I have absolutely no idea. He fell off the face of the earth.
He actually was questioned by FBI."
Russ: "Did you ever ask him about that call?"
Wright: "I battered him about it."
Russ: "What did he say?"
Wright: "He denied answering it. Didn't know anything about it. He did admit answering the phone to a detective who had called, I guess later on that evening or the next day."
Russ: "Where's your phone?"
Wright: "It's been in police custody. I guess it's with the FBI."
Russ: "He denied getting a phone call?"
Wright: "I don't know what was said."
Russ: "But you said you brow beat him about this. And he denied getting a phone call?"
Wright: "He denied answering the phone."
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Kansas-City-woman-who-got-call-from-missing-Irwin-phone-wants-her-name-cleared-in-case#ixzz1dBPiC2Sm
Video and Story:
Posted: 9:53 PM
Last Updated: 17 minutes ago
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A woman Tuesday identified a man she said was using her phone when it got a mystery call from one of the three cell phones stolen from the house the night Lisa Irwin disappeared on Oct. 4.
NBC Action News investigator Russ Ptacek uncovered a September restraining order in Clay County against the man Megan Wright claims has physically and emotionally abused her.
Below is the transcript from the interview with Wright on Tuesday:
Wright: "I absolutely had nothing to do with this. The whole reason I'm involved in this case is because I was trying to be nice and let people use my phone.
I just set it down on the table. Told everybody I was going downstairs with my boyfriend at the time. Told them if they need it feel free.
I was downstairs probably from 5:00 that night until midnight when I was looking for my phone again."
Russ: "So at the time the mystery call came, what happened?"
Wright: "I'm not sure, from what I was told from people who were upstairs at the time said Dane had the phone all night. I don't know if it was answered if it went to voicemail or if he was on the phone at the time.
Honestly I have no clue. I don't know if he answered and tried to leave."
Russ: "But you believe this person had the phone all night."
Wright: "From what I've been told, yes, but without me being upstairs and seeing who had the phone it is hard for me to say."
Russ: "So where is this person now?"
Wright: "I have absolutely no idea. He fell off the face of the earth.
He actually was questioned by FBI."
Russ: "Did you ever ask him about that call?"
Wright: "I battered him about it."
Russ: "What did he say?"
Wright: "He denied answering it. Didn't know anything about it. He did admit answering the phone to a detective who had called, I guess later on that evening or the next day."
Russ: "Where's your phone?"
Wright: "It's been in police custody. I guess it's with the FBI."
Russ: "He denied getting a phone call?"
Wright: "I don't know what was said."
Russ: "But you said you brow beat him about this. And he denied getting a phone call?"
Wright: "He denied answering the phone."
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Kansas-City-woman-who-got-call-from-missing-Irwin-phone-wants-her-name-cleared-in-case#ixzz1dBPiC2Sm
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
OP Comments...another new witness IF you are following HLN or Jim...you know his name...I don't feel confortable naming him as the article here doesn't...he was also drinking with DB and Samantha that night. Once, HLN releases todays show with Vinney I will post...alot of developing stories. And, seems DA is saying they have nothing to go on...imo this could mean that they know a lot...but, because of what happened with KC case...not enough (YET) to proceed...I am hoping anyway. The DA statement was disheartening to say the least...especially that IF they didn't get something it could be years before solved. (paraphrase).
Police: We are in discussions with Lisa Iriwn's family nbcactionnews
Posted: 6:57 PM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 2 minutes ago
By: Brett Akagi
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The Kansas City Police Department tells NBC Action News that they’re now in discussions with the family of Lisa Irwin to interview the two half-brothers of the missing baby.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, reported her missing on Oct. 4. Both boys were briefly interviewed that same day, but investigators want to re-interview them.
A child forensic specialist was supposed to interview the brothers on Oct. 28, but at the last minute, it was canceled by the family’s New York lawyer, Joe Tacopina. Kansas City police said a new date for the boys to meet with a forensic specialist has not been set yet.
In another development, Headline News is reporting a third person was hanging out with Lisa’s mom, Deborah Bradley, and another neighbor the night Lisa disappeared. The man told HLN in an interview that he lives two doors down from Lisa’s home and spent about 90 minutes on Bradley’s porch, smoking about four to five cigarettes while he was there.
He said he was new to the neighborhood and went over to Bradley and other female neighbor to introduce himself. The man said the FBI and police department interviewed him weeks ago and took a DNA swab from him.
Watch Video/Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-we-are-in-discussions-with-lisa-iriwns-family#ixzz1dBRd2mvM
Police: We are in discussions with Lisa Iriwn's family nbcactionnews
Posted: 6:57 PM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 2 minutes ago
By: Brett Akagi
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The Kansas City Police Department tells NBC Action News that they’re now in discussions with the family of Lisa Irwin to interview the two half-brothers of the missing baby.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, reported her missing on Oct. 4. Both boys were briefly interviewed that same day, but investigators want to re-interview them.
A child forensic specialist was supposed to interview the brothers on Oct. 28, but at the last minute, it was canceled by the family’s New York lawyer, Joe Tacopina. Kansas City police said a new date for the boys to meet with a forensic specialist has not been set yet.
In another development, Headline News is reporting a third person was hanging out with Lisa’s mom, Deborah Bradley, and another neighbor the night Lisa disappeared. The man told HLN in an interview that he lives two doors down from Lisa’s home and spent about 90 minutes on Bradley’s porch, smoking about four to five cigarettes while he was there.
He said he was new to the neighborhood and went over to Bradley and other female neighbor to introduce himself. The man said the FBI and police department interviewed him weeks ago and took a DNA swab from him.
Watch Video/Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-we-are-in-discussions-with-lisa-iriwns-family#ixzz1dBRd2mvM
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
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On Monday, prosecutors announced that there is presently no case regarding Baby Lisa's disappearance and there is no forseeable resolution in sight, noting it could take “years” to resolve the case.
Baby Lisa is described as having blue eyes and blonde hair and being approximately 30 inches tall and weighing between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The infant is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/male-neighbor-says-he-smoked-with-baby-lisa-s-mom-on-night-girl-vanished
On Monday, prosecutors announced that there is presently no case regarding Baby Lisa's disappearance and there is no forseeable resolution in sight, noting it could take “years” to resolve the case.
Baby Lisa is described as having blue eyes and blonde hair and being approximately 30 inches tall and weighing between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The infant is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/male-neighbor-says-he-smoked-with-baby-lisa-s-mom-on-night-girl-vanished
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
He can't sleep. He has trouble focusing his thoughts or quieting
roiling emotions after each news story about his missing granddaughter.
And baby Lisa Irwin's first birthday looms five days away.
"That's gonna be the oh-my-God moment," said David Netz Jr.,
weeping. "I can't even imagine what that day will be like. What will we
do? How will we get through that? I don't even know how to ask Debbie
and Jeremy what we should do or how to help them through that."
Since the mystifying Oct. 4 disappearance of the 10-month-old, much
of the nation has been introduced to her parents, Debbie Bradley and
Jeremy Irwin, as the latest breathless, blow-by-blow, cable-crime-case
sensation.
The coverage has been anything but favorable to
his daughter Debbie. The family's attorneys will no longer allow
interviews with her or Irwin.
"Most of my family says, 'Trust
nobody.' But it's making things get even worse, I think," Netz says. So
he and a couple other members of the extended family are speaking out,
helping The Kansas City Star pull together some of the threads of
Deborah Lee Netz Bradley's life of 25 years.
Netz shifts
easily from streaming tears to fist-clenching anger - against the media,
the police and others who disbelieve his daughter in the disappearance
of her baby.
"People are judging whether Debbie's crying
enough, or if she's crying too much, or if her lip curls up in some body
language secret, or if Jeremy doesn't show enough emotion."
Another deep sigh.
"This whole thing is insanity times 10."
Netz, 48, acknowledges the troubles in the family tree, the frays
in the bonds. Alcoholism. Estrangement. Divorce. Untimely death.
Debbie's mother left him more than once. And his daughter moved out
of his house the first time as an angry 16-year-old. Still, he says, the
two stayed connected, with visits at least once a week.
It
feels like the whole world is judging his daughter without knowing
anything about her, he says. He's pained by Web postings that range from
vitriol to know-it-all opinions by armchair sleuths.
Added to that is the media encampment at the family's homes in the Northland.
"My God, Debbie and Jeremy can't even relax and smoke on the back
porch without seeing hidden cameras popping out of brush. It's
horrible."
Last week, the family moved again, to a location unknown to most.
"Nobody knows how they'd react until this happens. I'm sick of
hearing, 'If they really cared they'd be doing so and so.' ... And
through it all, little Lisa is out there somewhere, that's what gets me
... "
His voice goes silent, as he sobs.
If the
world only knew, he says, they'd stop comparing Debbie with other
infamous mothers like Casey Anthony and Susan Smith.
Take the
time the family dog bit Lisa's older half-brother in the face. Netz
scooped up the bloody toddler and ran across the street to where Debbie
was. "She started screaming, and we rushed (him) to the hospital."
That's why Netz discounts the theory that she would try to hide an accidental or negligent death of Lisa.
"She would have picked that baby up and run up and down the street screaming for help," he said of his daughter.
"No, she didn't do this. She's not hiding anything. She's told the whole world about her drinking. ...
"If they knew how Debbie prayed and prayed for a baby girl ever
since her mother died because she wanted to name her Lisa," he says,
"then they would know there is no way she could do anything to the baby,
or God forbid, if something horrible happened, she wouldn't be able to
keep that secret.
"Debbie tells everything."
The day of the Amber Alert, Hazel Bradley, Debbie's mother-in-law, heard
about it from a neighbor. She rushed inside to keep her 9-year-old away
from the TV.
But she was too late. Her daughter had slipped
in from the school bus, saw the news and was crying: Somebody took
Debbie's baby! They took her!
Bradley held her as they
watched the live news conferences. She texted her stepson, Sean Bradley,
who is still legally married to Debbie.
Sean hasn't talked
with his wife for more than two years. Hazel hasn't been in contact,
either, but photographs of Debbie still are scattered throughout her
house. She's lived in Hazel's Independence home at different times.
Sean is the father to Debbie's 5-year-old son, who lives with her
and Irwin. Hazel says Sean hadn't known that Lisa was born.
Hazel just ached for Debbie when she appeared on television.
"She looked so scared and was hurting so bad. I couldn't stop watching."
Overwhelmed by the insinuations, Hazel was shaken. The 39-year-old
woman is re-examining every minute detail of her past with her
daughter-in-law. It was 2002 when the Bradleys first met the Fort Osage
High sophomore.
Debbie was working at QuikTrip, the same store that employed Sean, a junior at William Chrisman High School.
Hazel says she was self-conscious about her weight, but typical for a teen. She liked the happy and bubbly girl right away.
There were enough tears, though, for her mother who had died the
previous year. "She was struggling ... really missing her, and she
wasn't getting along with her dad."
The two women had those
empty places in common. Hazel's husband, Michael, an Army Desert Storm
veteran, had just died of a heart attack at age 42. Married only a short
time, she was a young widow, caring for her and Michael's 4-month-old
daughter; her little boy from a previous relationship; and her dead
husband's two teenagers, Sean and his sister.
When Debbie
asked to move in, Hazel said yes, but set the ground rules: no drugs or
drinking, nightly curfews and no fooling around with Sean.
The family settled in. Debbie helped with the baby girl. Little by little, Hazel learned the story.
Debbie was the oldest child of David and Lisa Netz. They divorced
in 1992, and Lisa Netz moved back home to the Delaware/Pennsylvania area
to be closer to her mother and siblings. She took Debbie and her two
younger brothers, Tony and Phillip.
"She told us how her mom loved to brush her hair when they watched TV," Hazel says.
David Netz moved east, too, to stay close to his children. He
bought a house in New Castle, Del. Lisa and Debbie lived in the
basement, David and the boys on the first floor.
In 2001,
Lisa died unexpectedly. Her heart, Debbie told the Bradleys. The saddest
part: She died on Phillip's 10th birthday.
"She told me
Phillip was the one who found her," Hazel remembers. Lisa had promised
her little boy that he could stay home from school, and they would go
buy him a toy. He'd asked for a scooter.
"What a horrible thing for those three kids to go through."
Debbie had just turned 15.
Lisa Netz's obituary, published in The Star, said she was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous for eight years.
David Netz and other family members told of Lisa's struggles with
drinking, how one of her sisters sometimes would step in and take the
three children to her own home until Lisa could sleep it off.
"Alcoholism is a horrible disease," he says.
The children had a little counseling after their mom's death, but
Netz said they blamed him for her drinking, her death, all of it. And
the in-laws, the Chivalettes, fought against Netz taking the children
back to his hometown.
Netz says he tried his best as a
divorced dad but that he was working 60-hour weeks and knows he wasn't
as present as he should have been.
It wasn't like that in the beginning
"Debbie was a girly girl, a daddy's girl, too," he says, smiling.
"She loved the color pink, loved clothes and loved her 'slippery' black
shoes. She liked those shoes called Jellies, too."
She was always a "mother hen" to her brothers, he says. After her mother's death, "she did it even more."
But after the return to Independence, father and daughter fought constantly.
Debbie dropped out of high school in her sophomore year, met a boy and moved out.
It was Hazel who helped Debbie get ready for Sean's senior prom.
The girl chose a sparkly purple dress. Hazel took her to Independence
Center and bought her a silver tiara, earrings and a necklace.
Prom night, she brushed Debbie's hair like Lisa once did, and pinned it into an up do. She also did her makeup.
"She looked beautiful." The photo from that night is quickly found, causing fresh tears.
It wasn't long afterward that Hazel asked Debbie and Sean to move out. She'd caught them in bed together.
"I told them that if they were going to be like grownups they
needed to get their own place. That's something I will not tolerate in
my house with all the other children here," she says.
Weeks later, the teens announced wedding plans - and the news that Sean had enlisted in the Army.
"That broke my heart," says Hazel. "I felt like I helped them rush into stuff they weren't ready for."
Debbie's father signed the paperwork allowing her to marry at 17.
"I liked Sean," he explains, "and I knew he had enlisted, and I worried
that Debbie would get pregnant and find herself alone."
The wedding was held in the Netz backyard. Sean's biological mom
flew in from the West Coast. But the event was marred for Hazel: Sean
and Debbie were still mad at her and barely spoke. Hazel hates the
memory of it.
"At least they asked me to come."
According to military records, Sean Michael Bradley enlisted on
Aug. 7, 2003, and entered training at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.
Transferred to Fort Bragg, N.C., for paratrooper training, he became
part of the 37th Engineer Battalion. He was deployed to Afghanistan and
returned to show his family a mangled bullet-resistant vest that he said
saved his life.
Debbie delivered a baby boy at Fort Bragg in
late November 2005. A year later, Hazel took her brood to North
Carolina and joined them for two weeks. She took them all to Myrtle
Beach, S.C., for a vacation.
Hazel saw so much joy with Debbie then. She remembers thinking "how good a mother she was."
At the Army post, Debbie bought clothes and shoes for her youngest brother, Phillip, back in Independence.
Sgt. Sean Bradley's service ended in March 2007. The couple
returned to Independence and moved in with Debbie's dad. But Sean
couldn't find a job and struggled in the civilian world, Hazel says. A
2008 news article says he was arrested for discharging a weapon; he told
police he was suffering from war-related stress.
Bills were mounting. The tension was too much. Debbie and Sean separated.
Debbie tried again to live with the Delaware relatives but was
drawn back to the Kansas City area once more. Again, she went to
Hazel's.
It was wonderful having her little grandson. Hazel stops here and looks up. "I love Debbie, too."
Sean was living with his sister by then. Debbie tried hard to get
back with him - sometimes spending two hours putting on makeup and
choosing an outfit when he came to pick up his son. But Hazel says he
wasn't interested.
And for some reason, Sean seemed to feel
uncomfortable around his little boy. He stopped visiting him. He still
pays child support, Hazel says.
"He's a very good kid," but the war left its scars, she says.
Debbie talked of getting her G.E.D. and insisted that her youngest
brother, Phillip, graduate. But she didn't go back to school. Instead,
she started leaving the house at night, taking Hazel's truck without
asking when the family slept.
"I never knew for sure where she went or what she did," Hazel said. They had words. Debbie was again asked to leave.
"It's just immature things," she says. "I kept thinking she would settle down."
The Bradleys looked into the cost of divorce, but because of the
little boy, the legal fees were daunting for both families.
Sean, now 26, lives in Lenexa, Kan. Numerous attempts to contact him for this story were unsuccessful.
Debbie took her son back to her father's house in east
Independence, where her brother Tony still lives, too. She soon moved
into Hawthorne Place apartments not far away and began working at
Payless ShoeSource, according to Hazel.
There, she met Jeremy
Irwin, an electrician who made some repairs. He was a graduate of
Kearney High School and was working as an apprentice in the trade, said
an Irwin family member.
Irwin already had a child, now 8, from another relationship.
About three years ago, Debbie gave Irwin's address for a traffic
ticket. The address was for the North Lister Avenue home from which baby
Lisa disappeared. Lately, the family has been staying at the North
Walrond Avenue residence rented by Debbie's brother Phillip.
She never called Hazel again.
"I miss Debbie. She was a good mother. ... There's just no way she
could have done this, and she's just not smart enough - not that she's
dumb - but she couldn't cover up something like this so well."
Not all of Debbie's family rallied around her.
Her uncle, Johnny Chivalette III, called her twice from Delaware, the second time to ask her to confess.
"She hung up on me. But you have to understand. Our family is so
dysfunctional," he said. He also wrote her a letter calling for her to
give up. He sent a copy to The Star.
He'd already called the Kansas City Police Department and had a conference call with four detectives.
Chivalette said he told them how the tragedies of alcoholism wove
through the family, causing pain and dysfunction, how siblings refuse to
talk with each other, often for years.
Some family members
think Chivalette just represents more of the dysfunction. Indeed, he
concedes he has served time in prison.
Considering her
mother's genes, Chivalette thinks Debbie shouldn't be drinking at all.
But the night of Lisa's disappearance, according to a source close the
family, she'd consumed at least five glasses of wine while chatting with
a neighbor on the porch.
"I don't think she'd do something on purpose," Chivalette says, "but I can see her hiding something after that. ...
"Look, I hope they find baby Lisa with a clean diaper and a full tummy, but with my family, it'll probably end worse."
The family drama has become reality TV and fodder for supermarket mags.
"Twisted Secret Life of Baby Lisa Mom," the National Enquirer
blares, touting a gossipy tale of Debbie - "a slender, buxom brunette
... considered the most beautiful of the soldiers' wives" - allegedly
trying to steal another Army wife's man at Fort Bragg.
The blogs have been brutal, too. One called for the immediate execution of Bradley and Irwin.
Garbage, says Netz.
All the family members have been hounded by national media, such as
Nancy Grace, whom he dubs "Nancy Dis-Grace." Hazel said one show
promised she wouldn't be bothered by any media if she signed an
exclusive agreement.
For a while, Debbie and Jeremy talked
freely with national TV personalities until apparently gagged by their
attorneys. ABC's "Good Morning America" gets the scoop now - on
Halloween, its crews followed the family trick-or-treating.
Netz has stopped watching television in disgust. He's not opening Facebook or reading emails, and he screens all calls.
He has angry words for the police, too.
He says officers called Debbie white trash in their interviews,
told her to cut the innocence act, that it was obvious she'd killed
Lisa. They said they'd found the body, showed her burnt clothes, he
says.
"Then, they told Jeremy that Debbie had confessed to
them that Lisa wasn't his, even though she looks just like him! Eleven
hours they talked with both Jeremy and Debbie, and when they asked for a
break, the police announced they weren't cooperating!"
The police deny those accusations. Legally, though, they can say anything they want in interviews and interrogations.
Netz feels his daughter would have cracked if guilty.
"If they had anything, anything on Debbie they'd have arrested her by now." His hand clenches.
"But they have nothing."
Baby Lisa is out there, somewhere, Netz says.
"She was absolutely beautiful, and she was always cooing and
laughing and chewing on her hand. I used to tease Debbie and say, 'That
kid is just hungry. Give her a pork chop, will ya?' "
"They can take her away, but they can't take away her memory. ... She is so special to us."
Again, he stops talking. He wipes his eyes.
"Yeah, I think she's still alive ...
"Tell people to keep looking."
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roiling emotions after each news story about his missing granddaughter.
And baby Lisa Irwin's first birthday looms five days away.
"That's gonna be the oh-my-God moment," said David Netz Jr.,
weeping. "I can't even imagine what that day will be like. What will we
do? How will we get through that? I don't even know how to ask Debbie
and Jeremy what we should do or how to help them through that."
Since the mystifying Oct. 4 disappearance of the 10-month-old, much
of the nation has been introduced to her parents, Debbie Bradley and
Jeremy Irwin, as the latest breathless, blow-by-blow, cable-crime-case
sensation.
The coverage has been anything but favorable to
his daughter Debbie. The family's attorneys will no longer allow
interviews with her or Irwin.
"Most of my family says, 'Trust
nobody.' But it's making things get even worse, I think," Netz says. So
he and a couple other members of the extended family are speaking out,
helping The Kansas City Star pull together some of the threads of
Deborah Lee Netz Bradley's life of 25 years.
Netz shifts
easily from streaming tears to fist-clenching anger - against the media,
the police and others who disbelieve his daughter in the disappearance
of her baby.
"People are judging whether Debbie's crying
enough, or if she's crying too much, or if her lip curls up in some body
language secret, or if Jeremy doesn't show enough emotion."
Another deep sigh.
"This whole thing is insanity times 10."
Netz, 48, acknowledges the troubles in the family tree, the frays
in the bonds. Alcoholism. Estrangement. Divorce. Untimely death.
Debbie's mother left him more than once. And his daughter moved out
of his house the first time as an angry 16-year-old. Still, he says, the
two stayed connected, with visits at least once a week.
It
feels like the whole world is judging his daughter without knowing
anything about her, he says. He's pained by Web postings that range from
vitriol to know-it-all opinions by armchair sleuths.
Added to that is the media encampment at the family's homes in the Northland.
"My God, Debbie and Jeremy can't even relax and smoke on the back
porch without seeing hidden cameras popping out of brush. It's
horrible."
Last week, the family moved again, to a location unknown to most.
"Nobody knows how they'd react until this happens. I'm sick of
hearing, 'If they really cared they'd be doing so and so.' ... And
through it all, little Lisa is out there somewhere, that's what gets me
... "
His voice goes silent, as he sobs.
If the
world only knew, he says, they'd stop comparing Debbie with other
infamous mothers like Casey Anthony and Susan Smith.
Take the
time the family dog bit Lisa's older half-brother in the face. Netz
scooped up the bloody toddler and ran across the street to where Debbie
was. "She started screaming, and we rushed (him) to the hospital."
That's why Netz discounts the theory that she would try to hide an accidental or negligent death of Lisa.
"She would have picked that baby up and run up and down the street screaming for help," he said of his daughter.
"No, she didn't do this. She's not hiding anything. She's told the whole world about her drinking. ...
"If they knew how Debbie prayed and prayed for a baby girl ever
since her mother died because she wanted to name her Lisa," he says,
"then they would know there is no way she could do anything to the baby,
or God forbid, if something horrible happened, she wouldn't be able to
keep that secret.
"Debbie tells everything."
The day of the Amber Alert, Hazel Bradley, Debbie's mother-in-law, heard
about it from a neighbor. She rushed inside to keep her 9-year-old away
from the TV.
But she was too late. Her daughter had slipped
in from the school bus, saw the news and was crying: Somebody took
Debbie's baby! They took her!
Bradley held her as they
watched the live news conferences. She texted her stepson, Sean Bradley,
who is still legally married to Debbie.
Sean hasn't talked
with his wife for more than two years. Hazel hasn't been in contact,
either, but photographs of Debbie still are scattered throughout her
house. She's lived in Hazel's Independence home at different times.
Sean is the father to Debbie's 5-year-old son, who lives with her
and Irwin. Hazel says Sean hadn't known that Lisa was born.
Hazel just ached for Debbie when she appeared on television.
"She looked so scared and was hurting so bad. I couldn't stop watching."
Overwhelmed by the insinuations, Hazel was shaken. The 39-year-old
woman is re-examining every minute detail of her past with her
daughter-in-law. It was 2002 when the Bradleys first met the Fort Osage
High sophomore.
Debbie was working at QuikTrip, the same store that employed Sean, a junior at William Chrisman High School.
Hazel says she was self-conscious about her weight, but typical for a teen. She liked the happy and bubbly girl right away.
There were enough tears, though, for her mother who had died the
previous year. "She was struggling ... really missing her, and she
wasn't getting along with her dad."
The two women had those
empty places in common. Hazel's husband, Michael, an Army Desert Storm
veteran, had just died of a heart attack at age 42. Married only a short
time, she was a young widow, caring for her and Michael's 4-month-old
daughter; her little boy from a previous relationship; and her dead
husband's two teenagers, Sean and his sister.
When Debbie
asked to move in, Hazel said yes, but set the ground rules: no drugs or
drinking, nightly curfews and no fooling around with Sean.
The family settled in. Debbie helped with the baby girl. Little by little, Hazel learned the story.
Debbie was the oldest child of David and Lisa Netz. They divorced
in 1992, and Lisa Netz moved back home to the Delaware/Pennsylvania area
to be closer to her mother and siblings. She took Debbie and her two
younger brothers, Tony and Phillip.
"She told us how her mom loved to brush her hair when they watched TV," Hazel says.
David Netz moved east, too, to stay close to his children. He
bought a house in New Castle, Del. Lisa and Debbie lived in the
basement, David and the boys on the first floor.
In 2001,
Lisa died unexpectedly. Her heart, Debbie told the Bradleys. The saddest
part: She died on Phillip's 10th birthday.
"She told me
Phillip was the one who found her," Hazel remembers. Lisa had promised
her little boy that he could stay home from school, and they would go
buy him a toy. He'd asked for a scooter.
"What a horrible thing for those three kids to go through."
Debbie had just turned 15.
Lisa Netz's obituary, published in The Star, said she was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous for eight years.
David Netz and other family members told of Lisa's struggles with
drinking, how one of her sisters sometimes would step in and take the
three children to her own home until Lisa could sleep it off.
"Alcoholism is a horrible disease," he says.
The children had a little counseling after their mom's death, but
Netz said they blamed him for her drinking, her death, all of it. And
the in-laws, the Chivalettes, fought against Netz taking the children
back to his hometown.
Netz says he tried his best as a
divorced dad but that he was working 60-hour weeks and knows he wasn't
as present as he should have been.
It wasn't like that in the beginning
"Debbie was a girly girl, a daddy's girl, too," he says, smiling.
"She loved the color pink, loved clothes and loved her 'slippery' black
shoes. She liked those shoes called Jellies, too."
She was always a "mother hen" to her brothers, he says. After her mother's death, "she did it even more."
But after the return to Independence, father and daughter fought constantly.
Debbie dropped out of high school in her sophomore year, met a boy and moved out.
It was Hazel who helped Debbie get ready for Sean's senior prom.
The girl chose a sparkly purple dress. Hazel took her to Independence
Center and bought her a silver tiara, earrings and a necklace.
Prom night, she brushed Debbie's hair like Lisa once did, and pinned it into an up do. She also did her makeup.
"She looked beautiful." The photo from that night is quickly found, causing fresh tears.
It wasn't long afterward that Hazel asked Debbie and Sean to move out. She'd caught them in bed together.
"I told them that if they were going to be like grownups they
needed to get their own place. That's something I will not tolerate in
my house with all the other children here," she says.
Weeks later, the teens announced wedding plans - and the news that Sean had enlisted in the Army.
"That broke my heart," says Hazel. "I felt like I helped them rush into stuff they weren't ready for."
Debbie's father signed the paperwork allowing her to marry at 17.
"I liked Sean," he explains, "and I knew he had enlisted, and I worried
that Debbie would get pregnant and find herself alone."
The wedding was held in the Netz backyard. Sean's biological mom
flew in from the West Coast. But the event was marred for Hazel: Sean
and Debbie were still mad at her and barely spoke. Hazel hates the
memory of it.
"At least they asked me to come."
According to military records, Sean Michael Bradley enlisted on
Aug. 7, 2003, and entered training at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.
Transferred to Fort Bragg, N.C., for paratrooper training, he became
part of the 37th Engineer Battalion. He was deployed to Afghanistan and
returned to show his family a mangled bullet-resistant vest that he said
saved his life.
Debbie delivered a baby boy at Fort Bragg in
late November 2005. A year later, Hazel took her brood to North
Carolina and joined them for two weeks. She took them all to Myrtle
Beach, S.C., for a vacation.
Hazel saw so much joy with Debbie then. She remembers thinking "how good a mother she was."
At the Army post, Debbie bought clothes and shoes for her youngest brother, Phillip, back in Independence.
Sgt. Sean Bradley's service ended in March 2007. The couple
returned to Independence and moved in with Debbie's dad. But Sean
couldn't find a job and struggled in the civilian world, Hazel says. A
2008 news article says he was arrested for discharging a weapon; he told
police he was suffering from war-related stress.
Bills were mounting. The tension was too much. Debbie and Sean separated.
Debbie tried again to live with the Delaware relatives but was
drawn back to the Kansas City area once more. Again, she went to
Hazel's.
It was wonderful having her little grandson. Hazel stops here and looks up. "I love Debbie, too."
Sean was living with his sister by then. Debbie tried hard to get
back with him - sometimes spending two hours putting on makeup and
choosing an outfit when he came to pick up his son. But Hazel says he
wasn't interested.
And for some reason, Sean seemed to feel
uncomfortable around his little boy. He stopped visiting him. He still
pays child support, Hazel says.
"He's a very good kid," but the war left its scars, she says.
Debbie talked of getting her G.E.D. and insisted that her youngest
brother, Phillip, graduate. But she didn't go back to school. Instead,
she started leaving the house at night, taking Hazel's truck without
asking when the family slept.
"I never knew for sure where she went or what she did," Hazel said. They had words. Debbie was again asked to leave.
"It's just immature things," she says. "I kept thinking she would settle down."
The Bradleys looked into the cost of divorce, but because of the
little boy, the legal fees were daunting for both families.
Sean, now 26, lives in Lenexa, Kan. Numerous attempts to contact him for this story were unsuccessful.
Debbie took her son back to her father's house in east
Independence, where her brother Tony still lives, too. She soon moved
into Hawthorne Place apartments not far away and began working at
Payless ShoeSource, according to Hazel.
There, she met Jeremy
Irwin, an electrician who made some repairs. He was a graduate of
Kearney High School and was working as an apprentice in the trade, said
an Irwin family member.
Irwin already had a child, now 8, from another relationship.
About three years ago, Debbie gave Irwin's address for a traffic
ticket. The address was for the North Lister Avenue home from which baby
Lisa disappeared. Lately, the family has been staying at the North
Walrond Avenue residence rented by Debbie's brother Phillip.
She never called Hazel again.
"I miss Debbie. She was a good mother. ... There's just no way she
could have done this, and she's just not smart enough - not that she's
dumb - but she couldn't cover up something like this so well."
Not all of Debbie's family rallied around her.
Her uncle, Johnny Chivalette III, called her twice from Delaware, the second time to ask her to confess.
"She hung up on me. But you have to understand. Our family is so
dysfunctional," he said. He also wrote her a letter calling for her to
give up. He sent a copy to The Star.
He'd already called the Kansas City Police Department and had a conference call with four detectives.
Chivalette said he told them how the tragedies of alcoholism wove
through the family, causing pain and dysfunction, how siblings refuse to
talk with each other, often for years.
Some family members
think Chivalette just represents more of the dysfunction. Indeed, he
concedes he has served time in prison.
Considering her
mother's genes, Chivalette thinks Debbie shouldn't be drinking at all.
But the night of Lisa's disappearance, according to a source close the
family, she'd consumed at least five glasses of wine while chatting with
a neighbor on the porch.
"I don't think she'd do something on purpose," Chivalette says, "but I can see her hiding something after that. ...
"Look, I hope they find baby Lisa with a clean diaper and a full tummy, but with my family, it'll probably end worse."
The family drama has become reality TV and fodder for supermarket mags.
"Twisted Secret Life of Baby Lisa Mom," the National Enquirer
blares, touting a gossipy tale of Debbie - "a slender, buxom brunette
... considered the most beautiful of the soldiers' wives" - allegedly
trying to steal another Army wife's man at Fort Bragg.
The blogs have been brutal, too. One called for the immediate execution of Bradley and Irwin.
Garbage, says Netz.
All the family members have been hounded by national media, such as
Nancy Grace, whom he dubs "Nancy Dis-Grace." Hazel said one show
promised she wouldn't be bothered by any media if she signed an
exclusive agreement.
For a while, Debbie and Jeremy talked
freely with national TV personalities until apparently gagged by their
attorneys. ABC's "Good Morning America" gets the scoop now - on
Halloween, its crews followed the family trick-or-treating.
Netz has stopped watching television in disgust. He's not opening Facebook or reading emails, and he screens all calls.
He has angry words for the police, too.
He says officers called Debbie white trash in their interviews,
told her to cut the innocence act, that it was obvious she'd killed
Lisa. They said they'd found the body, showed her burnt clothes, he
says.
"Then, they told Jeremy that Debbie had confessed to
them that Lisa wasn't his, even though she looks just like him! Eleven
hours they talked with both Jeremy and Debbie, and when they asked for a
break, the police announced they weren't cooperating!"
The police deny those accusations. Legally, though, they can say anything they want in interviews and interrogations.
Netz feels his daughter would have cracked if guilty.
"If they had anything, anything on Debbie they'd have arrested her by now." His hand clenches.
"But they have nothing."
Baby Lisa is out there, somewhere, Netz says.
"She was absolutely beautiful, and she was always cooing and
laughing and chewing on her hand. I used to tease Debbie and say, 'That
kid is just hungry. Give her a pork chop, will ya?' "
"They can take her away, but they can't take away her memory. ... She is so special to us."
Again, he stops talking. He wipes his eyes.
"Yeah, I think she's still alive ...
"Tell people to keep looking."
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Megan Wright: In Her Own Words Wednesday, November 9, 2011
The Lisa Irwin missing baby case gets even more confusing each day. Now we find that there were three people on that front porch at the Irwin/Bradley house October 3, 2011. We also hear that a man named Dane, who was living in the same house with Megan Wright, had her telephone at some point during that fateful evening. Wright says her temporary roommates shared that information only recently. She, in turn, told the authorities.
Wright is the latest among the media interviewees in this Kansas City case gone national. When I caught up with Wright today, she had just completed a visit by CNN’s Jim Spellman, as well as a phone interview with CNN. Here is a transcript of our conversation to shed some light on a very confusing issue.
Wright: (CNN reporter Jim Spellman) seems to be one of the few that has a pretty damn good understanding of everything that's going on; which is admirable, considering how confusing this whole case is. It's easy to get wrapped up in a sea of interviews.
I've never been very fond of being in front of a camera, but I put my fear aside hoping that opening up to the public, and anyone with a question, that something I say might bring Lisa home safely.
Rugen: If she's alive.
Wright: I sincerely hope she is. I know if you look at how long she's been gone it would take a miracle for her to be alive and well, but I hope that's what happens here.
Rugen: Do you think it's hard to believe she is alive with all of the different versions of the story the family has put out?
Wright: I try not to speculate, just stick to what I know. It seems fishy to me that the story has changed. But at the same time I know that anything is possible. There are so many versions of what people think have happened. I know how hard it is to be on the wrong end of that, which is why I try not to jump to conclusions.
Rugen: What time was that phone call made to your phone? I heard once 8:30 p.m. and then I heard 2:30 a.m.
Wright: I'm not sure exactly. When I got my phone back, my call log was deleted along with my messages. At first the police said around 8:00 pm, but later I was told it was more like 2:30 on the morning of the 4th.
Rugen: I saw your interview. Dane had the phone?
Wright: From what I was told by everyone upstairs [where my phone was].
Rugen: Your roomies?
Wright: Yes.
Rugen: Do you know why he took it with him?
Wright: Well, now ex roomies. Why he took it with him?
Rugen: Oh he didnt take it with him he just used it? It’s a bit confusing. Dane had the phone. Shane is the new person that was on the Bradley front porch?
Wright: I'm not sure what Dane was doing that night. Shane I guess is a neighbor of Deborah Bradley; a few doors down. From what I heard, I'm not sure if Dane left or if he was at the house all night. Like I have said before, I was downstairs for a majority of the evening.
Rugen: Okay, was he living with you?
Wright: He stayed there for a couple days the first time, and about a week the second time while he said he was waiting for an apartment with a friend.
Rugen: So you are just kind of someone who is a giving person if friends need a place to stay?
Wright: Everyone in the house was in a pretty bad position in life; job loss, loss of a home, etc. Everyone was understanding of needing a hand up, not a hand out.
Rugen: How did you meet all of them?
Wright: I was introduced by my friend after the last house I was living in was being put on the market for sale. I was given 12 hours to pack and move out. I had nowhere to go. So my buddy introduced me, and we hit it off immediately. They were all understanding to my situation and thought that we could help each other out. They offered me a place to stay, and I helped with cooking, cleaning etc.
Rugen: So you all have common friends and that's how they find out they can have a temp place to stay? Was this your place?
Wright: I wouldn't say it like that. It wasn't a flop house as it was said to be on Fox. We were all struggling and trying to pull resources to help everyone better their situations. Not just a place to couch surf.
No it was not my place, and I'm no longer living there.
Rugen: Oh you moved since the baby's disappearance? You're not there anymore?
Wright: I was asked to move because the home owner has a family member who was going to move in and help with bills.
Rugen: So this is not a “meth house” as the internet bloggers have speculated? When did you move?
Wright: It's very tough to see the house presented that way, because it's not the case. The people are wonderful and caring and considerate and as nice as could be. Just because they helped out friends doesnt make them drug users or anything else that was said in that report.
I moved on Sunday night, this week. I'm staying with a friend for the moment. But it's only temporary. I'm afraid I have to move to Springfield for lack of other options. I'm hoping it's a blessing in disguise.
Rugen: So some of the residents may have used drugs but not characteristic of the house as a whole?
Wright: I never noticed any drug use. But I primarily stuck to myself.
Rugen: What about “Jersey”?
Wright: Where to start?! (laughing) What about him?
Rugen: Did I hear you say in an interview he was drug user and that you used to date at one time?
Wright: I told an interviewer that I suspected that he was. I never witnessed it. But I had speculated that he had used before, if not at that time.
Rugen: When did you guys date?
Wright: I dated Jersey for 5 months. He was wonderful for the first 3, then he started acting "shady" is the way to say it, I guess. He started living life with a jailhouse mentality, and that's just not my lifestyle.
Rugen: What time period?
Wright: I met Jersey in late April/early May and we began dating shortly after. And we broke up about two weeks before Lisa went missing.
Rugen: So did you or Jersey ever meet Deborah Bradley or Jeremy Irwin?
Wright: I'm not sure. He never mentioned it, and while we were together I never witnessed them talking or anything like that. Jersey and I had walked through the neighborhood multiple times a week to get from the house we were living in to his friends’ house off of Chelsea, right down the road from where the family lived.
Rugen: But you never met them yourself?
Wright: No, I had never met them.
Rugen: Now if Dane had the phone it really makes one wonder if he met Deborah and maybe they were fooling around? Because you don't butt dial or randomly dial a number of someone just down the street you never knew before.
Wright: I hate to speculate. It could have been any of a number of things.
Rugen: Like?
Wright: Someone stole the phone and tried to reach me, wrong number, someone calling for someone who had used my phone as a contact number [which was pretty damn common]
Rugen: So Deborah could have been trying to reach Dane or Jersey?
Wright: It's possible, I suppose.
Rugen: Do you think one of them was seeing Deborah romantically.
Wright: Like I said, anything is possible.
Rugen: What kind of work are you doing now?
Wright: I've been so enthralled with the case I haven't had time or the opportunity to look for work. I'm just barely scraping by.
Rugen: Enthralled by your accidental involvement via the cell phone?
Wright: Yes, trying to figure something, anything out. Doing the interviews. It's been one hell of a time suck. I had to quit school because my car died on me. Once I finally got the money and the part and someone to fix it, my car goes up in flames, magically, 3 days after I break up with Jersey
Rugen: Do you think Jersey may have sabotaged it?
Wright: It's possible.
http://kansascitypi.blogspot.com/2011/11/megan-wright-in-her-own-words.html
The Lisa Irwin missing baby case gets even more confusing each day. Now we find that there were three people on that front porch at the Irwin/Bradley house October 3, 2011. We also hear that a man named Dane, who was living in the same house with Megan Wright, had her telephone at some point during that fateful evening. Wright says her temporary roommates shared that information only recently. She, in turn, told the authorities.
Wright is the latest among the media interviewees in this Kansas City case gone national. When I caught up with Wright today, she had just completed a visit by CNN’s Jim Spellman, as well as a phone interview with CNN. Here is a transcript of our conversation to shed some light on a very confusing issue.
Wright: (CNN reporter Jim Spellman) seems to be one of the few that has a pretty damn good understanding of everything that's going on; which is admirable, considering how confusing this whole case is. It's easy to get wrapped up in a sea of interviews.
I've never been very fond of being in front of a camera, but I put my fear aside hoping that opening up to the public, and anyone with a question, that something I say might bring Lisa home safely.
Rugen: If she's alive.
Wright: I sincerely hope she is. I know if you look at how long she's been gone it would take a miracle for her to be alive and well, but I hope that's what happens here.
Rugen: Do you think it's hard to believe she is alive with all of the different versions of the story the family has put out?
Wright: I try not to speculate, just stick to what I know. It seems fishy to me that the story has changed. But at the same time I know that anything is possible. There are so many versions of what people think have happened. I know how hard it is to be on the wrong end of that, which is why I try not to jump to conclusions.
Rugen: What time was that phone call made to your phone? I heard once 8:30 p.m. and then I heard 2:30 a.m.
Wright: I'm not sure exactly. When I got my phone back, my call log was deleted along with my messages. At first the police said around 8:00 pm, but later I was told it was more like 2:30 on the morning of the 4th.
Rugen: I saw your interview. Dane had the phone?
Wright: From what I was told by everyone upstairs [where my phone was].
Rugen: Your roomies?
Wright: Yes.
Rugen: Do you know why he took it with him?
Wright: Well, now ex roomies. Why he took it with him?
Rugen: Oh he didnt take it with him he just used it? It’s a bit confusing. Dane had the phone. Shane is the new person that was on the Bradley front porch?
Wright: I'm not sure what Dane was doing that night. Shane I guess is a neighbor of Deborah Bradley; a few doors down. From what I heard, I'm not sure if Dane left or if he was at the house all night. Like I have said before, I was downstairs for a majority of the evening.
Rugen: Okay, was he living with you?
Wright: He stayed there for a couple days the first time, and about a week the second time while he said he was waiting for an apartment with a friend.
Rugen: So you are just kind of someone who is a giving person if friends need a place to stay?
Wright: Everyone in the house was in a pretty bad position in life; job loss, loss of a home, etc. Everyone was understanding of needing a hand up, not a hand out.
Rugen: How did you meet all of them?
Wright: I was introduced by my friend after the last house I was living in was being put on the market for sale. I was given 12 hours to pack and move out. I had nowhere to go. So my buddy introduced me, and we hit it off immediately. They were all understanding to my situation and thought that we could help each other out. They offered me a place to stay, and I helped with cooking, cleaning etc.
Rugen: So you all have common friends and that's how they find out they can have a temp place to stay? Was this your place?
Wright: I wouldn't say it like that. It wasn't a flop house as it was said to be on Fox. We were all struggling and trying to pull resources to help everyone better their situations. Not just a place to couch surf.
No it was not my place, and I'm no longer living there.
Rugen: Oh you moved since the baby's disappearance? You're not there anymore?
Wright: I was asked to move because the home owner has a family member who was going to move in and help with bills.
Rugen: So this is not a “meth house” as the internet bloggers have speculated? When did you move?
Wright: It's very tough to see the house presented that way, because it's not the case. The people are wonderful and caring and considerate and as nice as could be. Just because they helped out friends doesnt make them drug users or anything else that was said in that report.
I moved on Sunday night, this week. I'm staying with a friend for the moment. But it's only temporary. I'm afraid I have to move to Springfield for lack of other options. I'm hoping it's a blessing in disguise.
Rugen: So some of the residents may have used drugs but not characteristic of the house as a whole?
Wright: I never noticed any drug use. But I primarily stuck to myself.
Rugen: What about “Jersey”?
Wright: Where to start?! (laughing) What about him?
Rugen: Did I hear you say in an interview he was drug user and that you used to date at one time?
Wright: I told an interviewer that I suspected that he was. I never witnessed it. But I had speculated that he had used before, if not at that time.
Rugen: When did you guys date?
Wright: I dated Jersey for 5 months. He was wonderful for the first 3, then he started acting "shady" is the way to say it, I guess. He started living life with a jailhouse mentality, and that's just not my lifestyle.
Rugen: What time period?
Wright: I met Jersey in late April/early May and we began dating shortly after. And we broke up about two weeks before Lisa went missing.
Rugen: So did you or Jersey ever meet Deborah Bradley or Jeremy Irwin?
Wright: I'm not sure. He never mentioned it, and while we were together I never witnessed them talking or anything like that. Jersey and I had walked through the neighborhood multiple times a week to get from the house we were living in to his friends’ house off of Chelsea, right down the road from where the family lived.
Rugen: But you never met them yourself?
Wright: No, I had never met them.
Rugen: Now if Dane had the phone it really makes one wonder if he met Deborah and maybe they were fooling around? Because you don't butt dial or randomly dial a number of someone just down the street you never knew before.
Wright: I hate to speculate. It could have been any of a number of things.
Rugen: Like?
Wright: Someone stole the phone and tried to reach me, wrong number, someone calling for someone who had used my phone as a contact number [which was pretty damn common]
Rugen: So Deborah could have been trying to reach Dane or Jersey?
Wright: It's possible, I suppose.
Rugen: Do you think one of them was seeing Deborah romantically.
Wright: Like I said, anything is possible.
Rugen: What kind of work are you doing now?
Wright: I've been so enthralled with the case I haven't had time or the opportunity to look for work. I'm just barely scraping by.
Rugen: Enthralled by your accidental involvement via the cell phone?
Wright: Yes, trying to figure something, anything out. Doing the interviews. It's been one hell of a time suck. I had to quit school because my car died on me. Once I finally got the money and the part and someone to fix it, my car goes up in flames, magically, 3 days after I break up with Jersey
Rugen: Do you think Jersey may have sabotaged it?
Wright: It's possible.
http://kansascitypi.blogspot.com/2011/11/megan-wright-in-her-own-words.html
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
interesting about 1/2 through...imo..op comment
Lisa Irwin: HLN News 11/8/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-HPKq391To
Lisa Irwin: HLN News 11/8/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-HPKq391To
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
BABY LISA UPDATE: New Detail Changes Timeline of Baby’s Disappearance After Authorities Say Outgoing Call From Mom’s Cell Phone Happened Hours Later Than Believed
In an exclusive revelation to Fox News’ America Live, a source confirmed what could be a dramatic shift in the Baby Lisa case.
A bizarre phone call made or attempted from the cell phone of Lisa Irwin’s mother, Deborah Bradley, to a woman named Megan Wright on the night Lisa disappeared was made hours later than previously believed. Wright has claimed publicly that the call was made to her phone at 8:30 p.m., but new information shows that the call was received at 11:57 p.m. … just hours before Lisa was discovered missing.
Authorities maintained the crucial nature of the timeline in the case throughout their investigation, which makes the latest development vital to the case.
Wright, whose roommates have said is a drug user, claimed that she wasn’t even aware of the incoming call on the night in question and that she didn’t even have her phone near her, as she and her seven roommates shared the phone. The roommates, however, say that’s all a fabrication.
Get all the details from Trace Gallagher.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/09/baby-lisa-update-new-detail-changes-timeline-of-babys-disappearance-after-authorities-say-outgoing-call-from-moms-cell-phone-happened-hours-later-than-believed/
In an exclusive revelation to Fox News’ America Live, a source confirmed what could be a dramatic shift in the Baby Lisa case.
A bizarre phone call made or attempted from the cell phone of Lisa Irwin’s mother, Deborah Bradley, to a woman named Megan Wright on the night Lisa disappeared was made hours later than previously believed. Wright has claimed publicly that the call was made to her phone at 8:30 p.m., but new information shows that the call was received at 11:57 p.m. … just hours before Lisa was discovered missing.
Authorities maintained the crucial nature of the timeline in the case throughout their investigation, which makes the latest development vital to the case.
Wright, whose roommates have said is a drug user, claimed that she wasn’t even aware of the incoming call on the night in question and that she didn’t even have her phone near her, as she and her seven roommates shared the phone. The roommates, however, say that’s all a fabrication.
Get all the details from Trace Gallagher.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/09/baby-lisa-update-new-detail-changes-timeline-of-babys-disappearance-after-authorities-say-outgoing-call-from-moms-cell-phone-happened-hours-later-than-believed/
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Suspicions in Baby Lisa case prompt mystery phone owner to defend herself on new Facebook page
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Frustrated with the media and chatter on Facebook, the woman who owns the mystery phone in the Baby Lisa case created her own Facebook public figure page in an effort to defend herself.
Megan Wright said police told her that the night Lisa Irwin disappeared, someone dialed her cell phone number using one of three phones the family reported taken Irwin home.
WHO IS MEGAN? Click this link for our recent interview:|
KC woman wants her name cleared in Baby Lisa case
“Ok, this is a f****** mad house once again,” Wright said about suspicions raised on a Baby Lisa discussion page on Facebook.“So here's the plan: I'm going to create my own page regarding the case. If you have a question, post it as a comment on my wall.”
Posters on the Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook page openly questioned whether Wright was on drugs and why the times the call was made to her phone changes.
“The events of the evening and timing are concerning,” said one Facebook member. “Maybe I am just confused.”
Via a direct message to me on Facebook, Wright said she was not responsible for the changes in the timeline concerning the mystery call.
“The only information I know is what police told me originally 8:00 p.m.,” Wright wrote. “Then it was 2:30 a.m. Now shortly before midnight. “Who friggen [sic] knows?”
In her Facebook posts , Wright acknowledges living in a home with eight other people.
“She lived in a flop house, with known meth addicts,” said one poster. “I'm not saying she has a drug problem, I'm asking.”
“If this is a drug house and all these people are supposedly using drugs, why no arrests,” wrote another.
So Wright turned to creating her own page, “Megan Q&A, Baby Lisa”
“I'm so tired of struggling to answer questions, people asking the same questions etc...,” Wright posted. “It's getting a little too absurd for me.”
“So please bare [sic] with me, give me like 10 minutes,” Wright wrote Facebook members on the Justice for Lisa Irwin page. “Then I'll post a link. Thanks for letting me preserve the last little scrap of my sanity.”
Wright posted new details on her page and answered questions about drug use and the living situation.
“No, I was not on meth,” Wright wrote on Facebook. “I went to the Waffle House around 3:00 a.m. because I was irritated about the situation with my phone and my friend thought it would be good for me to get away. Any more questions about my actions that night?”
Wright had been in a relationship with a handyman police questioned in the case and shared her phone with the man she says used it the night Baby Lisa disappeared.
Many posters are asking her whether either of the men would be capable of being involved in Baby Lisa’s disappearance.
“I refuse to speculate on who did anything,” Wright writes. “That's how my name got thrown in the gutter, people making assumptions and not thinking first. I do believe that he had my phone all night. But other than that, I'm not sure. Just because he had my phone doesn't make him guilty of anything.”
“After I got my food stamps at 6 a.m. I did a little shopping,” Wright wrote. “I took a nap when I got home, and ended up feeling rather sick and stayed in bed most of the next day. Any more questions about my actions that night?"
According to her posts, she left her phone in a different part of the house and didn’t notice anything unusual until several hours later.
“I went looking for my phone at some point,” Wright posted on Facebook. “It was brought to me by a friend and I noticed that my call logs and messages had been deleted. I went on a rant, asking who had it and why my things were deleted.”
She wrote that she doesn’t know whether the man who used her phone knows the Irwin family, but said several people in the home had access to the phone.
“There were eight people living in the house, and that got warped into 7 other people having access to my phone,” Wright wrote. “There were 5 adults and 3 kids [with another on the way] plus various friends of house members who frequently used my phone.”
For updates on the Baby Lisa Case, follow @russptacek on Twitter or “like” KSHB Russ Ptacek on Facebook.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVrx162
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVZ9h1w
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVSabNE
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Frustrated with the media and chatter on Facebook, the woman who owns the mystery phone in the Baby Lisa case created her own Facebook public figure page in an effort to defend herself.
Megan Wright said police told her that the night Lisa Irwin disappeared, someone dialed her cell phone number using one of three phones the family reported taken Irwin home.
WHO IS MEGAN? Click this link for our recent interview:|
KC woman wants her name cleared in Baby Lisa case
“Ok, this is a f****** mad house once again,” Wright said about suspicions raised on a Baby Lisa discussion page on Facebook.“So here's the plan: I'm going to create my own page regarding the case. If you have a question, post it as a comment on my wall.”
Posters on the Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook page openly questioned whether Wright was on drugs and why the times the call was made to her phone changes.
“The events of the evening and timing are concerning,” said one Facebook member. “Maybe I am just confused.”
Via a direct message to me on Facebook, Wright said she was not responsible for the changes in the timeline concerning the mystery call.
“The only information I know is what police told me originally 8:00 p.m.,” Wright wrote. “Then it was 2:30 a.m. Now shortly before midnight. “Who friggen [sic] knows?”
In her Facebook posts , Wright acknowledges living in a home with eight other people.
“She lived in a flop house, with known meth addicts,” said one poster. “I'm not saying she has a drug problem, I'm asking.”
“If this is a drug house and all these people are supposedly using drugs, why no arrests,” wrote another.
So Wright turned to creating her own page, “Megan Q&A, Baby Lisa”
“I'm so tired of struggling to answer questions, people asking the same questions etc...,” Wright posted. “It's getting a little too absurd for me.”
“So please bare [sic] with me, give me like 10 minutes,” Wright wrote Facebook members on the Justice for Lisa Irwin page. “Then I'll post a link. Thanks for letting me preserve the last little scrap of my sanity.”
Wright posted new details on her page and answered questions about drug use and the living situation.
“No, I was not on meth,” Wright wrote on Facebook. “I went to the Waffle House around 3:00 a.m. because I was irritated about the situation with my phone and my friend thought it would be good for me to get away. Any more questions about my actions that night?”
Wright had been in a relationship with a handyman police questioned in the case and shared her phone with the man she says used it the night Baby Lisa disappeared.
Many posters are asking her whether either of the men would be capable of being involved in Baby Lisa’s disappearance.
“I refuse to speculate on who did anything,” Wright writes. “That's how my name got thrown in the gutter, people making assumptions and not thinking first. I do believe that he had my phone all night. But other than that, I'm not sure. Just because he had my phone doesn't make him guilty of anything.”
“After I got my food stamps at 6 a.m. I did a little shopping,” Wright wrote. “I took a nap when I got home, and ended up feeling rather sick and stayed in bed most of the next day. Any more questions about my actions that night?"
According to her posts, she left her phone in a different part of the house and didn’t notice anything unusual until several hours later.
“I went looking for my phone at some point,” Wright posted on Facebook. “It was brought to me by a friend and I noticed that my call logs and messages had been deleted. I went on a rant, asking who had it and why my things were deleted.”
She wrote that she doesn’t know whether the man who used her phone knows the Irwin family, but said several people in the home had access to the phone.
“There were eight people living in the house, and that got warped into 7 other people having access to my phone,” Wright wrote. “There were 5 adults and 3 kids [with another on the way] plus various friends of house members who frequently used my phone.”
For updates on the Baby Lisa Case, follow @russptacek on Twitter or “like” KSHB Russ Ptacek on Facebook.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVrx162
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVZ9h1w
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/Suspicsions-in-Baby-Lisa-case-prompt-mystery-phone-owner-to-defend-herself-on-new-Facebook-page#ixzz1dHVSabNE
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
November 9, 2011
What Does Former Detective Mark Fuhrman Make of the Latest Revelations in the Baby Lisa Case?
Megyn Kelly reported earlier that a phone call was made or attempted from the cell phone of Deborah Bradley at almost midnight on the night Lisa Irwin went missing. The call went to a woman named Megan Wright, who claimed publicly that the call was made to her phone at 8:30p, but new information shows that the call was received at 11:57p.
Former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman joined Megyn Kelly on America Live and pointed out the fact that at the time the call was made, Bradley claimed she was drunk and ‘blacked out.’
Fuhrman went on to talk about how the most obvious piece of this investigation is that the cops will not clear Deborah Bradley because she is the last one that saw baby Lisa alive and her story keeps changing.
“I believe it was Deborah Bradley because she is the one trying to make the excuse right from the onset that the kidnappers took the cell so they couldn’t tell 9-1-1. That is an absurd, ridiculous assumption.” He added, “It’s not something a mother would be worried about when their child’s been kidnapped and missing.”
Video w/ Mark at:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/09/what-does-former-detective-mark-furhman-make-of-the-latest-revelations-in-the-baby-lisa-case/
What Does Former Detective Mark Fuhrman Make of the Latest Revelations in the Baby Lisa Case?
Megyn Kelly reported earlier that a phone call was made or attempted from the cell phone of Deborah Bradley at almost midnight on the night Lisa Irwin went missing. The call went to a woman named Megan Wright, who claimed publicly that the call was made to her phone at 8:30p, but new information shows that the call was received at 11:57p.
Former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman joined Megyn Kelly on America Live and pointed out the fact that at the time the call was made, Bradley claimed she was drunk and ‘blacked out.’
Fuhrman went on to talk about how the most obvious piece of this investigation is that the cops will not clear Deborah Bradley because she is the last one that saw baby Lisa alive and her story keeps changing.
“I believe it was Deborah Bradley because she is the one trying to make the excuse right from the onset that the kidnappers took the cell so they couldn’t tell 9-1-1. That is an absurd, ridiculous assumption.” He added, “It’s not something a mother would be worried about when their child’s been kidnapped and missing.”
Video w/ Mark at:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/09/what-does-former-detective-mark-furhman-make-of-the-latest-revelations-in-the-baby-lisa-case/
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Here is the search warrent and what was retrieved for those who have not seen...I just now found it...as I have a hard time keeping up with this case.
http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf
http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf[/quote[/url]]Verogal wrote:Here is the search warrent and what was retrieved for those who have not seen...I just now found it...as I have a hard time keeping up with this case.
[url=http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf
Thanks Vero....great job finding this
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Annabeth wrote:http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf[/quote[/url]]Verogal wrote:Here is the search warrent and what was retrieved for those who have not seen...I just now found it...as I have a hard time keeping up with this case.
[url=http://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/irwincourtdocument.pdf
Thanks Vero....great job finding this
Your are welcome...I have a really bad feeling about this case...reminds me of another diasterous case. Hope you are good...I have been burning candle at both ends lately...but, post here when I can.
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
btw...thanks for letting me know you read this...I always wonder if anyone is reading LOL OKay some breaking news I need to post so I better get going...Hoping the boys interview will help out.
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Baby Lisa Case: Tantalizing Mystery of a Cell Phone Call --People Mag
Wednesday November 09, 2011 06:00 PM EST
Is it a phone call that could help crack the case of missing Baby Lisa Irwin?
More than four weeks into the investigation of the 10-month-old who vanished in the pre-dawn hours Oct. 4 from her parents' Kansas City, Mo., home, police aren't saying.
But it's among the more intriguing developments in case: a possible call, placed the night Baby Lisa went missing from one of three cell phones that her parents believe was taken from the house along with their daughter.
The source of this information is a woman named Megan Wright, who says that police have questioned her several times about what they characterized as a 50-second call to her cell phone from the supposedly missing phone.
Wright is perplexed about why she was questioned. She doesn't know Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and has no information about the the baby's disappearance.
"I don't know what was said, or who called, or who answered my phone," Wright tells KCTV5, "but that's what the police have been questioning me about."
All she's been told is that the call was apparently made the night the child disappeared. But the exact timing is uncertain; various news reports quoting sources say police believe the call was made at either 8:30 p.m., 11:57 p.m. or 2:30 a.m.
The child's parents say the baby disappeared between when Lisa's mom put her to bed at 6:40 p.m. and her dad returned around 4 a.m. from a late work shift to find the child – and the cell phones – gone.
Adding to the mystery: In the weeks before Baby Lisa disappeared, Wright says she ended a relationship with a transient neighborhood handyman, "Jersey" John Tanko, who has been questioned about the case.
Is there a link?
Tanko has cooperated, says the Kansas City spokesman Steve Young, and "we're satisfied at the moment and we're moving on. That's not to say something may change later where we would like to speak to [him] again. That's why I'm staying away from the word 'cleared.' Really, truly, the investigation is wide open. We aren't ruling anything out yet."
Also left unanswered: How could such a call have been placed?
According to Lisa's parents, that call would have been impossible because their cell phone service was disrupted – meaning no outgoing calls – after the couple fell behind in their phone bill.
After speaking together and separately with police in the early days of the investigation, Bradley and Irwin have not consented to any further interrogations since Oct. 8, after they said they were accused by detectives.
They also have not agreed to let their other children, boys ages 5 and 8, to meet a second time with a child services worker to talk about that night.
Friday will mark Lisa's first birthday. The hotline for tips is 816-474-TIPS (816-474-8477).
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20544082,00.html
Wednesday November 09, 2011 06:00 PM EST
Is it a phone call that could help crack the case of missing Baby Lisa Irwin?
More than four weeks into the investigation of the 10-month-old who vanished in the pre-dawn hours Oct. 4 from her parents' Kansas City, Mo., home, police aren't saying.
But it's among the more intriguing developments in case: a possible call, placed the night Baby Lisa went missing from one of three cell phones that her parents believe was taken from the house along with their daughter.
The source of this information is a woman named Megan Wright, who says that police have questioned her several times about what they characterized as a 50-second call to her cell phone from the supposedly missing phone.
Wright is perplexed about why she was questioned. She doesn't know Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and has no information about the the baby's disappearance.
"I don't know what was said, or who called, or who answered my phone," Wright tells KCTV5, "but that's what the police have been questioning me about."
All she's been told is that the call was apparently made the night the child disappeared. But the exact timing is uncertain; various news reports quoting sources say police believe the call was made at either 8:30 p.m., 11:57 p.m. or 2:30 a.m.
The child's parents say the baby disappeared between when Lisa's mom put her to bed at 6:40 p.m. and her dad returned around 4 a.m. from a late work shift to find the child – and the cell phones – gone.
Adding to the mystery: In the weeks before Baby Lisa disappeared, Wright says she ended a relationship with a transient neighborhood handyman, "Jersey" John Tanko, who has been questioned about the case.
Is there a link?
Tanko has cooperated, says the Kansas City spokesman Steve Young, and "we're satisfied at the moment and we're moving on. That's not to say something may change later where we would like to speak to [him] again. That's why I'm staying away from the word 'cleared.' Really, truly, the investigation is wide open. We aren't ruling anything out yet."
Also left unanswered: How could such a call have been placed?
According to Lisa's parents, that call would have been impossible because their cell phone service was disrupted – meaning no outgoing calls – after the couple fell behind in their phone bill.
After speaking together and separately with police in the early days of the investigation, Bradley and Irwin have not consented to any further interrogations since Oct. 8, after they said they were accused by detectives.
They also have not agreed to let their other children, boys ages 5 and 8, to meet a second time with a child services worker to talk about that night.
Friday will mark Lisa's first birthday. The hotline for tips is 816-474-TIPS (816-474-8477).
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20544082,00.html
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
Local PI sheds light on why no search parties for missing Baby Lisa
November 9, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Local private investigator Ron Rugen said in private Facebook message Tuesday, “The local community's overall believability of Bradley and Irwin is reflected by lack of those participating in ‘search parties.’ They just cannot seem to drum up many to go out and conduct citizen searches.”
He’s right. Glaringly absent from this case are the search parties. A community binding together, day and night, looking for this baby. Offering help to police, printing and passing out fliers, and doing anything and everything they could possibly do to help find this child. That’s normally how it works.
Rugen, a former radio news director, says he has worked as a private investigator for 17 years, and began working in Kansas City two years ago.
Reflecting on the past year, Holly Bobo comes to mind. She is the 20-year-old nursing student who was abducted from her driveway in Darden, Tennessee last April. Her entire community rallied for her.
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November 9, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Local private investigator Ron Rugen said in private Facebook message Tuesday, “The local community's overall believability of Bradley and Irwin is reflected by lack of those participating in ‘search parties.’ They just cannot seem to drum up many to go out and conduct citizen searches.”
He’s right. Glaringly absent from this case are the search parties. A community binding together, day and night, looking for this baby. Offering help to police, printing and passing out fliers, and doing anything and everything they could possibly do to help find this child. That’s normally how it works.
Rugen, a former radio news director, says he has worked as a private investigator for 17 years, and began working in Kansas City two years ago.
Reflecting on the past year, Holly Bobo comes to mind. She is the 20-year-old nursing student who was abducted from her driveway in Darden, Tennessee last April. Her entire community rallied for her.
Continue reading on Examiner.com Local PI sheds light on why no search parties for missing Baby Lisa - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/local-pi-sheds-light-on-why-no-search-parties-for-missing-baby-lisa#ixzz1dLf87Tuj
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
LIVE on Facebook tonight: HLN and the Baby Lisa case
Anna Gonzalez, November 10, 2011
•Chat will give you access to people close to the story
•Jim Spellman and Mike Brooks will answer your questions
The disappearance of Lisa Irwin, who turns one year old on Friday, has hit close to home for many people.
The case has left many questions unanswered, and on Thursday HLN will give you direct access to people close to the case.
From 7:30–8:30 p.m. ET, join CNN Reporter and HLN contributor Jim Spellman, along with HLN Law Enforcement Analyst Mike Brooks, for a chat on HLN's Facebook page. All you have to do is post your questions on the wall of our Facebook page. But first, make sure you "Like" the page to gain access to the chat.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/10/chat-hln-about-baby-lisa-case
Anna Gonzalez, November 10, 2011
•Chat will give you access to people close to the story
•Jim Spellman and Mike Brooks will answer your questions
The disappearance of Lisa Irwin, who turns one year old on Friday, has hit close to home for many people.
The case has left many questions unanswered, and on Thursday HLN will give you direct access to people close to the case.
From 7:30–8:30 p.m. ET, join CNN Reporter and HLN contributor Jim Spellman, along with HLN Law Enforcement Analyst Mike Brooks, for a chat on HLN's Facebook page. All you have to do is post your questions on the wall of our Facebook page. But first, make sure you "Like" the page to gain access to the chat.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/10/chat-hln-about-baby-lisa-case
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Re: LISA IRWIN - 10 months (2011) - Kansas City MO
BREAKING Now per JimS CNN twitter page
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#babylisa the boys are being reinterviewed right now per KCPD
jimspellmancnnjim spellman
#babylisa the boys are being reinterviewed right now per KCPD
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